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Old 12-06-2012, 04:55 PM
 
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Conventional flash suppressors (M-14, British .303 jungle carbine, etc) are NOT designed to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy. They are designed to reduce the damage to your night vision from your own fire. Your gun is pointed at your target so there is no way of hiding the flash from him or his friends.

The only flash suppressors that might work on a rifle are very large and primarily designed to suppress noise and also pretty much eliminate the muzzle flash as well.

If you want to see real muzzle flash shoot a heavy buckshot or slug load from a shotgun at night. If you have let your eyes night adapt you will not be seeing very much until your eyes recover from the very bright light.

BTW - a flash suppressor does not an assault weapon make. Any gun in the hands of an assailent is an assault weapon. An antique flint lock .60 cal black powder pistol can make you just as dead as the most specialized modern pistol.
That is somewhat true, however, the bottom slots are removed from the A2 birdcage to reduce/eliminate the dust signature when firing in the prone position. If you are kicking up a cloud of dust while firing, you can be IDed pretty easily. The muzzle blast causes this.


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Old 12-06-2012, 05:11 PM
 
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Conventional flash suppressors (M-14, British .303 jungle carbine, etc) are NOT designed to hide your muzzle flash from the enemy. They are designed to reduce the damage to your night vision from your own fire. Your gun is pointed at your target so there is no way of hiding the flash from him or his friends.

The only flash suppressors that might work on a rifle are very large and primarily designed to suppress noise and also pretty much eliminate the muzzle flash as well.

If you want to see real muzzle flash shoot a heavy buckshot or slug load from a shotgun at night. If you have let your eyes night adapt you will not be seeing very much until your eyes recover from the very bright light.

BTW - a flash suppressor does not an assault weapon make. Any gun in the hands of an assailent is an assault weapon. An antique flint lock .60 cal black powder pistol can make you just as dead as the most specialized modern pistol.
A Victor, He's tawkin' about this .62 cal

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Old 12-06-2012, 06:07 PM
 
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I meant caliber ... It sounds like you have probably not used a M4/M16 before. I have and I've shot a M14 as well. I prefer the carbine unless I was sniper.
No sir, I joined the Army in 1988 and just recently retired in 2009.....I knew what ya meant with "caliper"...just messing...

My point is, those things I mentioned have "ZERO" to do with the capability of the weapon...Now, most will not understand that...you may?

MANY MANY people will and have said, oh....look at that rifle...it just "LOOKS" dangerous...

Does not matter if it is or not.....looks mean nothing...
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:24 PM
 
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How about the collapsible stock, higher fire rate, the shorter barrel length, pistol group, and the high capacity [30 round magazine]. Should I continue or do you get the point? They are both dangerous and the caliper is the same but the purpose is different.

none of which should make a firearm illegal to own. after all if the feds and cops can own it, then why shouldnt the people they are supposed to be serving be allowed, without any sort of goverment interference.
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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Yes, but then the SWAT team could easily tell where your fire was coming from.

it depends, I can reload rounds that would show almost no flash as all coming out the barrel of an AR-15, even without a flash suppressor.
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:42 PM
 
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Old 12-06-2012, 09:48 PM
 
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