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Originally Posted by jrzymuscle25
I'm still open to the idea of a flat tax across all income levels and no loopholes.. That'll make it fair.
50k earner taxed at 15% pays $7500 a year.
250k earner taxed at 15% pays $37500 a year.
No loopholes or write offs. Everyone pays. No more of this who pays more or less cr@p. The end.
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It's a terrible .... no .... horrible .... no ... an IDIOTIC idea, because you obviously don't know how this world works, and that's not just a slam on you ... as I use the term "you" euphemistically, referring to the masses who look upon themselves as an intelligent American public, when the truth is, they are nothing more than domesticated, dumbed down slaves. Yes, people who think of themselves as highly intelligent, but are in reality, adult children who have really no clue about what is, and what is not in their best interests. Easily led by their noses, and manipulated beyond imagination, through lie after lie after lie, they fall for every cockamamie story fed them. It's like taking candy from a baby.
That may sound extremely harsh, when in reality it is being kind and conservative, and the evidence of this is beyond any reasonable doubt or challenge. But let's break down the foundation of this hidden fworld before we address the massive flaws and gross inequity in your idea about a flat tax, and why it's such a horrible idea ...
The first rule of thumb that must be understood and considered is that the laws of this country are written by the wealthy elitists. And it should no longer be a secret anymore .. as your congressmen have already admitted as much. Who was it .. Nancy Pelosi who said "We have to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it", referring to Obama-Care ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uQv...B1130&index=13
This is a direct confession that congress does not write the legislation that they pass into law ... they don't even read these bills that they vote on, for Christ sake. So obviously if they don't know what is in these pieces of legislation, they didn't create them. Who then did? The powerful monied interests that run this country, that's who! And why would you or anyone else assume that these "wealthy monied interests" are going to write tax bills that will harm themselves financially? The idea is mind numbingly asinine and absurd on the surface. It's the classic "Fox guarding the chicken coop" concept, and anyone who believes that is a good idea, cannot consider themselves intelligent.
Assuming that this is all true, and it most certainly is .... no tax proposal is ever going to actually tax the wealthiest people that control the legislative process, and any tax proposals that they write and pass into law will be an increase in taxes for YOU .. not THEM. This part is a no brainer. And the insidious part of all of this is that the massive government spending and the massive national debt is owed to the very financial gangsters that control the legislative process who wrote all of the existing tax laws that benefit them, and crush you. Trillions of dollars have been given to these gangsters in the form of "Bail outs" and "Stimulus", and now they want to increase YOUR taxes to pay for it? Well, that's the story anyway, but it's not really the whole truth. The reality is, they robbed the bank and stole massive amounts of our existing wealth ... then they want to increase our taxes on our future earnings in order to reduce the debt caused by their theft. What a brilliant idea.
and so you think that 15% taken from everyone is a good way to be robbed for a second round of theft? You think that's the "smart" thing?
This basic formula is how the system works regardless of what laws you care to look at. Obama-Care? Written by the insurance companies and the medical cartel ... that's why their stock values increased the moment that abomination was made law. And, the Liar-In-Chief ... Mr. "I will not raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000" ? Obama-Care is a "tax" ... and even as Obama swore it was not a tax ... his lawyers were arguing to the Supreme Court that it was indeed a tax, and that is why the bill was constitutional. The court agreed that the government had no authority to force Americans to purchase health insurance, but the government did have the authority to tax. So, now those that don't voluntarily buy it, get hit with a punishment tax. Such double talk attempts to mask the fact that Obama-Care is nothing but an OVERT EXTORTION RACKET, and there go the dummies once again cheering them on ... yes, please, extort more money from us .. please!! And such inane stupidity is going to hurt real bad. Health insurance rates are already rising .... and just watch how employers start reducing full time employees to part timers to avoid paying for healthcare insurance, and other employers lay people off to offset the increase costs ... all in the midst of an economic crisis. WHy it almost seems like they want to make us all poor and unemployed and homeless. ????
Now this is why it is idiotic for regular working people to support and defend increases in taxes. It's like a kid begging his parents to reduce his weekly allowance. That's just how idiotic and nonsensical it is from a basic common point of view, without ever having to analyze the more intricate details and functional flaws. But the greatest point of the entire argument is that if you don't own your own labor .. then by definition, someone else does, and that makes you a slave. I don't care if they own 15% of you, or 100% .... we're only talking about the degrees of ownership, and the amount of slavery being imposed. And you can bet that any flat tax that might start off as 15%, will increase ... it will go to 20%, then 25%, then 35%, and up. Every time the government finds it needs more money (and when has government ever not needed more money ? ) .. that percentage will increase, GUARANTEED. The next question is, if someone off the street came up to you on payday and stuck a gun in your face and said give me some of your money ... you would consider that robbery, right? So why do you think it's OK when the government does this? Apparently, in some warped sense of obligation and fairness to "pay your fair share", people consider government robbing them legitimate, for some bizarre reason. But how could intelligent people think it fair for the government to give Trillions of dollars to bankers, and then raise our taxes to pay the tab? You think thats fair? Oh yes .. so brilliant! And this is just a surface analysis of the conceptual flaws ... now let's look at the functional flaws.
First ... it has been proven time and again, over and over ... when taxes are increased, government tax revenues collected actually goes down. This seems antithetical to most people, because they have no concept of economics, but it is a fact ... higher taxes lead to declines in economic production and decreases in jobs, which lead to decreased tax revenues. And if you don't believe that, just compare California with Texas ... and realize that higher taxes and out of control spending that those taxes facilitate have left California on the verge of bankruptcy. So, if that's true ... why does government want to raise taxes if it reduces it's revenue? Well, the answer is equally antithetical, but best answered by asking why does government need your money at all? If government can print Trillions of Dollars to hand out to the banker gangsters, why do they need any of your money? The answer is, they don't need your money .. they can and are printing as much as they want to print. The dirty little secret is, they just don't want you to have any of it, because you are a damned slave, and slaves aren't supposed to own anything. You're here to work .. and provide labor for the tasks that need doing, and not to become independent. So you must be kept poor so you can be more easily controlled! And until the public gets this through the cinder blocks that are posing as their heads, they're never going to understand what is actually being done to them, or why is is so stupid to promote ideas about paying more taxes, and worrying about deficits and national debt, and "fiscal cliffs" (that's a real good one ... fiscal cliffs
) They just dream up these buzz word terms like "Fiscal Cliffs" and it magically becomes the rallying cry for the sheep ... "we need higher taxes to avoid that fiscal cliff, damn it!!!" So idiotic ... so transparent ... and yet the drooling masses guzzle this kool-aide like an alcoholic at an open bar.
Here's what is ACTUALLY happening, and it's sad that so many people need to be told this .... they've been shipping your jobs off shore, slowly but surely, for decades. They've run up the national debt to 16 Trillion, not counting the other 16 Trillion that they gave away to the banker gangsters just in the last 4 years between 2008-2011, and the hundreds of Trillions in phony ponzi scheme derivatives . They are raising your taxes, and passing police state bills that will have Homeland Security dictating and controlling your every movement .... and now they are forcing every last one of you into the "Sick Care System" that is slowly poisoning you to death. They have the EPA imposing regulations that will cause your energy bills to double, and then triple, shutting down hundreds of coal fired electric plants. The bankers created the housing bubbles and then burst them to steal your homes ... and this is all being done to facilitate one end goal .. to bankrupt the country, and all of the citizenry along the way. Right now, the Federal Reserve is buying up that so called "toxic debt" in the form of Mortgage Backed Securities ... why? Because they can. They can create funny money out of thin air, buy up all of the mortgages on the books ... and when they decide to pull the plug completely ... you won't be able to pay, and they will then not only own you (as they already do) but everything else ... your home, your savings, your job, ALL GONE ... bye-bye.
But don't worry ... you'll get some food stamps and some unemployment and some social security and some medicare and medicaid to tide you over and everything will be just fine, until the dollar collapses completely, and then the real fun begins. Hyper-inflation will be such that no amount of government assistance will keep you safe from homelessness and starvation, massive economic implosion, and food riots in the streets, not unlike what is happening in Greece today.
And the real sad part is ... you all asked for it. You demanded it. Cheered for it ... like insane maniacal morons ... begged for higher taxes ... begged for forced healthcare ... begged to have the TSA keep you safe from the boogie man hiding in your boxer shorts .... yes indeed, you asked for it, and you are certainly going to get it ... boy are you going to get it ... and deserve it too! Yes, that's what I said ... many (not all) deserve what's coming, because there is no excuse for the depth of stupidity in demanding that your taxes be raised, and your energy costs be increased to save the planet from CO2.
15% flat tax on everyone? What a joke. Who do you think will suffer the most by such an asinine idea? The Billionaire who has more money than he and his entire family could possibly spend in three lifetimes? The Millionaires? Or the sucker already struggling to make it on $700 bucks a week as the rent and the food and the electric bills keep climbing higher, because gangsters are destroying the economy and the value of the dollar at the same time? So we have people like you who believe that guy working for the $700 per week should hand over $105 of it right off the top? Do you even understand where that money will go? It will go DIRECTLY to Billionaire gangsters who are running this entire criminal enterprise.
What a marvelous idea. Such wisdom leaves me speechless and in awe.
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