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Conservatives don't care about reality. They can't or won't moderate their views to deal with a changing world.
They really do think the same things work every time in all situations.
The thinking is simplistic and faith based. It's pathetic, you can't have a debate. It would like debating a believer(I do believe) about the existence of GOD. No matter the facts the believer knows that GOD exists, while that type of mentality is fine for a person's personal faith, but not when dealing with the economy or society and public policy.
But conservatives take that same belief basis and apply it to everything. It is amazing.
I love when they like to bring up Conservative policies as evidence, then claim Liberal policies wouldn't work b/c of the size difference between the US and [insert country].
Then they bring in the document written by guys living in a country w/ a couple hundred thousand citizens, no electricity, and limited view of human rights.
This is the best thread on C-D by far. Conservatives can't name one nation, not one that is successful and that applies their thinking about the world into action.
They attempt to claim the US, but listen to conservatives talk about America. Conservatives claim that liberals control the American culture. This is not what liberals claim, but conservatives say this.
They claim liberals own hollywood, the media, the tech industry, the largest cities, most of the largest states, public education, universities, teachers, lawyers, scientists, etc.
Conservatives claim this is a conservative nation yet will only claim one president in the last 80yrs as a conservative.
I love when they like to bring up Conservative policies as evidence, then claim Liberal policies wouldn't work b/c of the size difference between the US and [insert country].
Then they bring in the document written by guys living in a country w/ a couple hundred thousand citizens, no electricity, and limited view of human rights.
We are STILL WAITING for someone to give us that conservative utopia that is thriving somewhere in the world.
I read a lot on here about the evils of socialism (even as mis-applied to Obama).
It is extremely easy to cite 'socialist' countries (those where taxes are high and where governments are rather large) which are really quite nice: Scandanavia, much of Western Europe, Canada, etc.
What I would like to see are examples of conservative countries that are so great to live in. What I'm asking is for posters on here to cite countries that are examples of conservative utopias.
We conservatives aren't looking for utopia.....we realize that there is no such thing.
When you lefties cite socialist utopias, you always talk about Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. These are countries without our constitution, but more importantly, ALL of their citizens are expected to contribute. They do not have large urban areas which suck off the teet of the productive. They do not import poverty, as we do and they are as populated as some of our largest cities.
Compare your opportunity to succeed in America to your opportunity in China, India and Russia.
I love when they like to bring up Conservative policies as evidence, then claim Liberal policies wouldn't work b/c of the size difference between the US and [insert country].
Then they bring in the document written by guys living in a country w/ a couple hundred thousand citizens, no electricity, and limited view of human rights.
You'd think that the lack of evidence of their policies being adopted in the real world would give them some pause.
They can't name one nation. It is pathetic and a real indictment of how wrong they are about public policy.
You'd think that the lack of evidence of their policies being adopted in the real world would give them some pause.
They can't name one nation. It is pathetic and a real indictment of how wrong they are about public policy.
If we are a unique nation, which we are, why would you expect to find others? The whole topic is a red herring.
If you want to identify places where policies are being adopted, though not utopias (since I don't know of one of any sort), I would point to the fall of the Soviet Union communism for smaller governments. I would point to East Germany where the push was toward smaller government and more personal liberty. They haven't gone to where we are, but that's the direction of a significant shift. I would point out that the UK and territories and not functionally under the heavy hand of the monarchy as they were. I would point out that the younger generations in middle eastern countries are fighting to for more personal freedom. Countries with universal healthcare are now making moves to find ways for more privatized care.
People from across the world are trying to come to the US for personal freedom and free markets, so are you really basing an argument on the point that large powerful governments are not widely relinquishing power voluntarily? Some are being forced to cut spending because of how overloaded their debts have gotten, and those are the one's we're supposed to copy because everyone does it?
We are STILL WAITING for someone to give us that conservative utopia that is thriving somewhere in the world.
Leaders do not want a populace that isn't fully controlled.
Look at what happened when the Egyptians got rid of a dictator. Don't you think the Egyptian people wanted the freedoms of America?
America is a unique experiment in human history. It was the first place where people could live in true freedom, where your conditions at birth don't dictate your life.
It's a place where people have come for centuries for true freedom.
Our founders ideas, capitalism nor our constitution put us in the place that we are today.
It was socialist policies that did us in. Now you socialists try to blame capitalism for the failures of socialism.
If we are a unique nation, which we are, why would you expect to find others? The whole topic is a red herring.
If you want to identify places where policies are being adopted, though not utopias (since I don't know of one of any sort), I would point to the fall of the Soviet Union communism for smaller governments. I would point to East Germany where the push was toward smaller government and more personal liberty. They haven't gone to where we are, but that's the direction of a significant shift. I would point out that the UK and territories and not functionally under the heavy hand of the monarchy as they were. I would point out that the younger generations in middle eastern countries are fighting to for more personal freedom. Countries with universal healthcare are now making moves to find ways for more privatized care.
People from across the world are trying to come to the US for personal freedom and free markets, so are you really basing an argument on the point that large powerful governments are not widely relinquishing power voluntarily? Some are being forced to cut spending because of how overloaded their debts have gotten, and those are the one's we're supposed to copy because everyone does it?
Look first conservatives can't claim America besides Ronald Reagan, please name the president that conservatives claim as conservative.
This is a conservative nation that rarely every seems to elect Presidents that conservatives claim as conservative.
Secondly, according to conservatives liberals own American culture. According to conservatives liberals dominate hollywood, the media, the largest cities, most of the largest states, public education, universities, teachers, lawyers, scientists, etc.
Why do conservatives feel so alienated from the culture that they claim is conservative? It doesn't make logical sense.
Also, if we are so conservative our government has had wage controls on certain industries, created huge government programs, like social security, medicare, medicaid that are compulsory, unemployment benefits, regulation of the air waves, of every industry.
I suspect the people who control the national GOP look to Mexico and drool at their downtrodden, yet productive workforce.
Yet, they still can't claim one nation. The America that many of them remember from their childhoods was one of price controls on the Airline industry, huge powerful unions, an active federal government, the creation of huge government programs.
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