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Old 12-05-2012, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Republicans are holding Americans hostage to the top 2%.

Democrats are now trying to force a vote on extending tax breaks for the first $250k of income. They need 30 Republican signatures to force a vote.
Do you think Obama will let tax rates increase on 98% of Americans? Why is it that when there are two sides to this only one gets mentioned? That's rhetorical BTW......
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Republicans are holding Americans hostage to the top 2%.

Democrats are now trying to force a vote on extending tax breaks for the first $250k of income. They need 30 Republican signatures to force a vote.
They can't. You'd have to be a fool not to realize that taxes have to increase for ALL OF US. INCLUDING the 47% who now pay no taxes. The question isn't whether our taxes will go up, it's how much they're going to go up.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:32 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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Republicans are holding Americans hostage to the top 2%.

Democrats are now trying to force a vote on extending tax breaks for the first $250k of income. They need 30 Republican signatures to force a vote.
Lol! The more this goes on the more I realize that the poor and the middle class deserve everything that happens from the fall out of Obamas class warfar.

Even funnier is democrats are so worried about another war. What you fail to realize is the war is already raging. Obama sent the first nuke. The media is the commanders telling you Obamas good little soldier pawns what to think and say.

Tax the rich so Obama can make you rich right?
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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Obama is the one who wants to go over the cliff.
Exactly and the Obamabots are too stupid to see it lololol.

We tried warning people but they insisted on voting for tax hikes. Never give any government permission to raise taxes on anyone and always insist on spending cuts first.

It's funny to watch the poor and middle class skirm. If taxes go up you deserve and asked for what you got.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Republicans are holding Americans hostage to the top 2%.

Democrats are now trying to force a vote on extending tax breaks for the first $250k of income. They need 30 Republican signatures to force a vote.
Ok. But Dems have told the press they are willing to let the chips fall where they may to force the Republican hand and would go as far as June.

So the Dems are just as willing to let this happen so they can blame the Repubs.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:42 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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why do liberals not figure out that spending is not the solution


lets look at a 13 years span

total revenue in 2000 was 2.09 trillion...
total revenue in 2007 was 2.69 trillion....
total revenue for fy12 was 2.9 trillion

spending in 2000 2 trillion
spending in 2010 3.8 trillion
spending for fy12 was estimated at 3.8 trillion

so revenue (including recession years) went up 32%( 900 billion) in 13 years...about 2.3 percent per years

yet spending wend up 90% (1.8 trillion) in 13 years,,,,about 7 percent per year



please dont insult people and say 'same coin' ...because SURELY it is a different case
They ARE the SAME COIN.
We spent $4 trillion on the wars without doing ANYTHING to raise additional revenue. In addition the 2008 recession saw a DRASTIC reduction in tax revenues. The end result is that while over the long run revenue DID go up spending went up FASTER. That doesn't mean the issue is JUST with spending. If we were going to war why didn't we raise taxes to pay for it? Why did we just "put it on the credit card" instead of raising revenue to PAY FOR IT?

If your household or your company or your country is out of balance in regards to income vs outlay there's TWO things you need to look at - spending AND income. They are NOT separate from each other and solution to the problem does NOT have to come from simply ONE side or the OTHER. They BOTH factor into it. BOTH sides of the SAME coin. That's pretty self-evident.
The fact that YOU simply WANT to focus on just one aspect doesn't MEAN there's only ONE ASPECT.


Ken
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Ok. But Dems have told the press they are willing to let the chips fall where they may to force the Republican hand and would go as far as June.

So the Dems are just as willing to let this happen so they can blame the Repubs.
Yup.

I asked this in another thread but I'd really like an answer. How long must obama be in office before what is happening in Washington is HIS fault? Apparently, 4 years isn't long enough. How long is?
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:52 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Yup.

I asked this in another thread but I'd really like an answer. How long must obama be in office before what is happening in Washington is HIS fault? Apparently, 4 years isn't long enough. How long is?
Depends on what you are talking about - something that was there before he came into office? Or something that HE started from scratch?
Do you REALLY think the slate starts "clean" when a new President steps into office? That he doesn't have leftover issues to deal with from the previous Administration?
Really?



Ken
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:55 PM
 
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Exactly and the Obamabots are too stupid to see it lololol.

We tried warning people but they insisted on voting for tax hikes. Never give any government permission to raise taxes on anyone and always insist on spending cuts first.

It's funny to watch the poor and middle class skirm. If taxes go up you deserve and asked for what you got.
we knew that it would be a possibility that we could go over the fiscal cliff, we also know he campaigned on the idea of raising taxes on the wealthy. How can you call us stupid for knowing that was the possibility.
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Old 12-05-2012, 03:00 PM
 
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Republicans are holding Americans hostage to the top 2%.

Democrats are now trying to force a vote on extending tax breaks for the first $250k of income. They need 30 Republican signatures to force a vote.
Geez - you guys are all out in full force trying your best to blame one participant because they won't give Obama what he wants.

Holding us hostage?... please. Republicans in Congress are pretty incompetent right now to do much of anything.
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