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Old 12-05-2012, 04:39 PM
 
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Even if you believed that it was pure economic development, how do free-market conservatives manage to praise this sort of behavior?
by not thinking too hard about it, or anything else.

basically they say, "We have to offer subsidies to compete!"

With subsidies it's easy to quantify the benefits and difficult to quantify the costs, which leads some "conservatives" to believe that there are no costs.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Right Wing by definition, is about promoting aristocracy/oligarchy. The idea they spew with "free market" is simply a music that has a good sound to the ears, for the same effect.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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by not thinking too hard about it, or anything else.

basically they say, "We have to offer subsidies to compete!"

With subsidies it's easy to quantify the benefits and difficult to quantify the costs, which leads some "conservatives" to believe that there are no costs.
Until the company you subsidized goes belly up and then you realize your mistakes.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:56 PM
 
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What do you call it when cities and states give companies tax free status for 10-15 years to relocate and even have been known to give them free land to build factories on just to get them to come locate in their area? What do you call it when cities and states build roads and sewer and water lines to certain places just to get a business to come in without giving that company an assessment to cover the costs of providing them with that service? I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong to do these things BUT conservatives who say free market should control everything aren't acknowledging that the government helps many so-called free market businesses.
I am basically not with giving companies money directly.

Government does handle sewer, water, and electric. Like I said - I'm ok with a one time subsidy or waiver of assessment in that manner. Make it public so that everyone knows about the waiver - that should be done.

Something like you describe does not insert money in the regular revenue flow of the company - so it is not too much of a big deal to me.
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Old 12-05-2012, 04:59 PM
 
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Until the company you subsidized goes belly up and then you realize your mistakes.
Right, well usually that's the next guy's problem.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:02 PM
 
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You have to become a minority owned business to get government favors.
That will come as news to Haliburton, Boeing, United Technologies, Riceland Foods Inc, or Tyler Farms.

What you've left out of your claim is that minority and women set-asides for federal contracts are for SMALL businesses and the contracts or that only 35% of all federal small business contracts go to minority owned SMALL businesses.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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That will come as news to Haliburton, Boeing, United Technologies, Riceland Foods Inc, or Tyler Farms.

What you've left out of your claim is that minority and women set-asides for federal contracts are for SMALL businesses and the contracts or that only 35% of all federal small business contracts go to minority owned SMALL businesses.
For small business. Those big guys are so big and have deep pockets and connections that no new players could possibly get in that game.

When it comes to business there are layers and you should realize that.

Sorry I didn't qualify my comments. I thought they were assumed to apply to small business.

You also have a better chance at the city/state level to get contracts.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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For small business. Those big guys are so big and have deep pockets and connections that no new players could possibly get in that game.
Yet you failed to mention that leaving only the impression that women and minorities are the recipient of governmental largesse. This is a recurring conservative theme, point fingers at the historically left out while leaving the historically privileged untouched. If you want to talk about divisive, I can think of nothing more malevolently divisive than pitting those with little to nothing against one another while leaving the rich and powerful to their own devices.

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Sorry I didn't qualify my comments. I thought they were assumed to apply to small business.
You know what they say about assuming.

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You also have a better chance at the city/state level to get contracts.
Depends on the city and the state both of which have their own versions of the big guys.

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Old 12-05-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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Why not. You do also if you look closely enough. If they took away all loopholes and dedcutions its sadit aht 50 Billion will hit the rich and companies and 240 billion general lower taxpayers.Appox 50% of government spendig is on entitlement programs.If you take dedcution individually;on interest paid on home.do not pay taxes on benefits your are subsidised.No one I know pays o all compensation with no decutions.You in fact say even your job is subsidise in realty.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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Hire a Black Hispanic woman and make her the CEO.
You'll be turning down government contracts because you are so busy.

I was actually approached and offered a CEO (in name only) position when a bunch of guys left my company to start their own.
They wanted to get the steady government contracts and with me as CEO (woman) they could qualify as a minority owned business.
I said Thanks but no thanks.
I would have never guessed you were a woman.
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