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Get out an atlas and check it out, they are our neighbors and here we are acting like a backwards country discriminating against their people. It is about time for the USA to back up their slogan of land of the free with total freedom and equality for ALL of its citizens, including the minorities, all of the minorities, not just those chosen. Other wise why do we celebrate the 4th of July. I often hear we are supposed to be the best country in the world, the most advanced and most free. Not when a religious majority takes charge and discriminates. WE just look pathetic and stuck in the early 1900's where freedom for all was not common.
The saddest part about all of this is that gay marriage will become legal in the U.S. once the 50+ population dies. It's sad because good people are dying today without ever having been granted recognition that their loving relationships are just as valuable as their straight counterparts.
Most of my siblings are up to ten years older than me, my partner is 67 and his sisters are older than he is, they all support gay marriage. My garden client tomorrow is an elder couple in their late 80's and they support it and voted no on Prop 8. In the county I live, Humboldt California is mostly farming, fishing, logging and ranching, yet 60% voted no on H8. WE will overcome this hate and marriage equality will win with the those against equality going in the history books looking like the people who fought interracial marriage and school integration and womens suffrage. We cannot go forward by going backward.
The saddest part about all of this is that gay marriage will become legal in the U.S. once the 50+ population dies. It's sad because good people are dying today without ever having been granted recognition that their loving relationships are just as valuable as their straight counterparts.
Not all of us over 50s, it's more the religious whackaloons and fearful idiots of every generation.
I work with some under 50s who are vehemently against it because of their fairy tale.
Not all of us over 50s, it's more the religious whackaloons and fearful idiots of every generation. I work with some under 50s who are vehemently against it because of their fairy tale.
I like how people act like this is a US only forum, when it's under the general forums category, not the US forums.
So yes, this discussion belongs.
Yes.
it's relevant.
As it points out that the US is really becoming that backwards.
Of course if the US is really backwards --- why is it that MILLIONS of Mexicans are fleeing their progressive nation to get to the USA? As backwards as we might be -- the whole world would prefer to live here.
So you'd feel better about America if a group of unelected justices overruled the expressed will of the people?
Civil rights need to be immune from the "expressed will of the people."
A 1965 Gallup poll revealed that 72% of Southern whites were against interracial marriage. Loving v. Virginia was decided in 1967, despite popular opinion of the time.
If you had any civics education at all you would know that the judicial branch of the federal government and state governments exist to interpret the laws AND dispense justice. Dispensing justice isn't just sending the bad guys to jail but to specifically deal with injustices suffered by people and classifications of people discriminated against by the majority.
The reason why judges SHOULD NOT be elected is so they do not have to answer to a majority. Having to answer to a majority inherently corrupts the judicial process.
So you'd feel better about America if a group of unelected justices overruled the expressed will of the people?
It was a group of unelected justices overruling the expressed will of the majority who made interracial marriage legal. That is often the role of the judicial branch of our government. To lead our country in expanding rights and privileges, rather than restricting them based on prejudice and bias. Fortunately, our unelected justices don't have to pander to the people, they can rationally weigh the issues without discriminating against the minority in order to keep their jobs. You do realize that the Bill of Rights exists to protect the MINORITY from discrimination by the MAJORITY. And it is those rights in the Bill of Rights that are most often cited by the Supreme Court in their rulings that override the "expressed will of the people".
Yes! It is proper and fitting for the courts to stand up and defend the rights of minority groups, when "the tyranny of the majority" would trample on them.
That is why the court is separate and independent of the politicians and elected officials.
Of course if the US is really backwards --- why is it that MILLIONS of Mexicans are fleeing their progressive nation to get to the USA? As backwards as we might be -- the whole world would prefer to live here.
How arrogant!!!! NO, the whole world does not want to live in the US! Just because people from poor countries try to immigrate because they have this stupid notion that the streets are paved with gold, does not mean the whole world wants to live in the US. It is NOT the greatest country in the world.
Go ahead. Call me anti-American. I'm anti American arrogance.
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