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Old 12-11-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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And without a union to represent you forget about getting anyone to enforce this or even pay attention to your claim.

That's why the bosses want to get rid of unions.
We have laws to protect workers. The majority of American workers (non government) do not belong to a union and are doing fine at their jobs.

What are you people so scared about ?
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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We have laws to protect workers. The majority of American workers (non government) do not belong to a union and are doing fine at their jobs.

What are you people so scared about ?
What laws?
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:51 AM
 
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We have laws to protect workers. The majority of American workers (non government) do not belong to a union and are doing fine at their jobs.

What are you people so scared about ?
When the unions are gone the worker protection laws will go with them.Everyone will pay the price just as everyone benefits because of the unions.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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When the unions are gone the worker protection laws will go with them.Everyone will pay the price just as everyone benefits because of the unions.
So OSHA will close it's doors and cease to exist ?
Government rules and regulations are tied to the existence of unions and will disappear ?

11% of private workers belong to unions.
The other 89% seem to be doing fine without union protection.

Again..what are you so scared of ?
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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Since there are a bunch of union protestors at the Michigan capitol - I think maybe it's time to fight fire with fire.

I know there are a bunch of people who want the right-to-work laws to pass. It may take a larger group of counter-protestors to start a big fight against the union protestors. Something like that must be organized ahead of time.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:18 AM
 
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False. No union exists that can protect workers from being fired. The union will try to assure that you get a second chance but everyone,union or non union can be fired.
It might take a few years and thousands of dollars in legal fees by the employer, but it is possible to fire an inept employee.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:22 AM
 
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So OSHA will close it's doors and cease to exist ?
Government rules and regulations are tied to the existence of unions and will disappear ?

11% of private workers belong to unions.
The other 89% seem to be doing fine without union protection.

Again..what are you so scared of ?
I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:26 AM
 
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Since there are a bunch of union protestors at the Michigan capitol - I think maybe it's time to fight fire with fire.

I know there are a bunch of people who want the right-to-work laws to pass. It may take a larger group of counter-protestors to start a big fight against the union protestors. Something like that must be organized ahead of time.
That's the problem though, people who want to force other people to do things their way are more motivated to public protests, then people that just want to be free and live their lives the way the they see fit.

It's sort of like the freedom loving hippie going up against the power hungry tyrant. The tyrant is a powerful well organized group with thousands of members, and is in league with the government, while the freedom lover is just an individual.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: DFW
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I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
Thereagain look at heavily Unionized states... they are going down the toliet. Stay Union, you'll keep shoving jobs to places like TX or China.

What is a Union employee in Detroit ... Unemployed.

Unions are obsolete.
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
Right now there is way more wrong with unions than right.

I look at the bold above and think - who is the boss here? The workers or the owners?

If you are a good employee and make yourself valuable - there will be no fear from the employer taking advantage of you. In fact, the opposite will occur and the the employer will want to protect the good employee.
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