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Old 12-11-2012, 01:00 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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I have worked in the area of occupational health and safety. Unions help to enforce health and safety standards in a number of important ways:

Unions can gather information about dangerous conditions more effectively than individual workers can.

Studies have found that unions helps educate workers about health and safety risks in their workplaces so that unionized workers show greater awareness of those risks than non-unionized workers.

Unionized workers can speak out about dangerous conditions collectively, rather than individually, so that one individual employee is not targeted by management as a troublemaker. The strength of the collective voice of the union increases the likelihood the employer will honor the workers’ request for compliance.

Although under OSHA law workers can accompany an OSHA inspector on a workplace tour, unionized workers are far more likely to participate in the inspections resulting in a safer workplace.


American Rights at Work - How Unions Make Workplaces Safer
Wish I could rep you for this post. These are great points that are often over-looked in discussions of this type. Union shops ARE safer than non-union places and we're going to see back sliding in safety when union members start getting fired for speaking up about issues like you've written about.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Wish I could rep you for this post. These are great points that are often over-looked in discussions of this type. Union shops ARE safer than non-union places and we're going to see back sliding in safety when union members start getting fired for speaking up about issues like you've written about.
I find this false

in my 35 years of working in shops, the unions shops, with the lazy union slugs were always the least safe shops

the unions worry more about "is it double time and a half?" than getting the job done
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Default Union flash mob destroys Americans for Prosperity tent

Brown shirts aren't so brown this time around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=GtbWbw66KrI
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:31 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Default Michigan state govt takes away unions "right" to force people to join or else

Michigan has long been the heart of unions and coerced "rights" that have exploded the prices of goods and services and drivien companies and entire cities into bankruptcy. Today, lawmakers there have finally passed a law taking away the "right" of unions to force people to join them and pay union dues - dues which are often used to further bribe lawmakers into favorable treatment of unions. Unions also famously use their massive funding to run political campaigns favoring the legislators who back them in turn - ironically while protesting corporations who donate to opposing causes, claiming those are "evil".

No other restrictions on unions were passed by the lawmakers. Unios still retain all their rights to solicit membership, charge dues, influence lawmakers, negotiate labor contracts, initiate strikes, contribute to political campaigns, and all the rest. The only thing they can't do any more, is force people who don't want to join them, to join anyway or lose their jobs.

Unions stayed true to form as the lawmakers debated, surrounding the legislative halls, screaming, pushing, shoving, intimidating citizens and the lawmakers themselves. Police had to break up demonstrations, use pepper spray, etc. to restore a semblance of order.

Michigan's governor is expected to sign the measures into law in the next few days.

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Police clashing with protesters as right-to-work crowds disrupt Lansing | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

Police clashing with union protesters

by Serena Maria Daniels, Tony Briscoe and Susan Whitall
December 11, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The Detroit News

Lansing — Pepper spray, heated exchanges and loud protesters chanting over controversial right-to-work legislation came into focus Tuesday with eyes on Michigan's historic clash between Republican lawmakers and organized labor.

Michigan State Police confirmed Tuesday afternoon that a trooper used pepper spray to subdue one of the thousands of protesters outside the Capitol as lawmakers inside approved the controversial bills.

Just after 1 p.m., the State Police reported only two arrests. The individuals were detained after they tried to push past troopers to get inside the George Romney Building across from the Capitol where the governor has an office, State Police Capt. Harold Love told reporters.

He did not know what charges they were facing.

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Old 12-11-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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Only 11% of private sector workers are in unions. Are you saying the other 89% are SOL with regards to safety ?
The 29 miners killed at Massey Energy`s Big Branch mine certainly were.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Well the law is passed.

First Wisconsin and now Michigan.
Who is next..New York ?
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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It might take a few years and thousands of dollars in legal fees by the employer, but it is possible to fire an inept employee.
On the other hand,the non union worker can be fired if the boss`s nephew needs a job.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Rest assured, though, that when unions finally start to lose their influence, business finally starts to rise again in that boneyard called Detroit, factories finally start to make and sell stuff, and people start getting more jobs in Michigan, the newspapers will all proclaim (in unison) that it's a result of Obamanomics finally working.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:38 PM
 
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Rest assured, though, that when unions finally start to lose their influence, business finally starts to rise again in that boneyard called Detroit, factories finally start to make and sell stuff, and people start getting more jobs in Michigan, the newspapers will all proclaim (in unison) that it's a result of Obamanomics finally working.
Of course!
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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On the other hand,the non union worker can be fired if the boss`s nephew needs a job.
If nephew is more qualified, he should get the job over a union employee who has nothing but seniority to stand on.
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