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Old 12-08-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Build a house on a beach anywhere. Smart. I love beach living but I know it's a crapshoot and if I lose there's no one to blame but myself. I can't blame nature for being natural.
Alot of these houses were built in the 1890s to 1930s.... Why did Alaskans build in Flood Zones , you have plenty of land to build on up there no land shortages....
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:11 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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You are being so silly What do you think the Federal Government gets on tax revenue from the longer gold mines in the Northern hemisphere? Do you think that for every barrel of oil extracted in Alaska the Federal government does not make any money? How about the oil leases in Federal land? Is the Federal government not making any money from these?

Since your State does not have the same amount of natural resources, the Government makes money from taxing the private sector in your State, from companies and tax paying individuals. In Alaska we don't have an State income tax, but the Federal Government is still making money from working Alaskans in the form of a Federal income tax. On top of that, from the natural resources being mined or extracted from the ground each day.

Most of the money sent to Alaska by the Federal Government is for paying itself. The State is not paying for Global Shield, nor the military installations for active military members; the Feds. do.
Are you able to read those statistics you quoted? I didn't invent them---Alaskans receive FAR more in Federal funds per capita than they pay in Federal income tax. I actually dont give a rip, but it is irritating to listen to some folks (not all) cry about how they are being mistreated by Uncle Sam, when they're state is AT THE TOP OF THE DOLE list for Federal money. If you guys want to be independent and run your own state, start by telling your Senators and Congressmen that you prefer Alaska NOT receive any Federal monies.

I got a pretty good idea that at least your politicians have a better view of Alaskan economic picture than people on this thread. I hope to hell ya gotta a couple of common folks up there with some common sense, too.

But you do have every right to tell me to shut up and get the hell off your thread---I don't live there. I'm in a state that PAYS more in Federal income tax than it takes in Federal dole money. So you folks can spend the long winter contemplating how much you are contributing to the national economy.

And, by the way, the North Dakota oil fields hold promise of being the largest oil deposits in the hemisphere without having to be shipped across thousands of miles of ice and tundra. The promise of the Bakan oil fields may be part of the delay in committing funds to Alaska for expanded any pipelines. It's all about the profit, and has nothing to do with North Dakota is better than Alaska or any crap like that. It's just about the money, and that's where the oil producers are concentrating right now.

Goodbye Alaska, and good luck, you're gonna need it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Alot of these houses were built in the 1890s to 1930s.... Why did Alaskans build in Flood Zones , you have plenty of land to build on up there no land shortages....
There's plenty of land but not plenty of useable land. There's tundra, permafrost, mountains, no roads, lots and lots of reasons why there's vast open areas with no one living there save those hardy folks wanting to live in dry cabins with no services for hundreds of miles.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:26 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Are you able to read those statistics you quoted? I didn't invent them---Alaskans receive FAR more in Federal funds per capita than they pay in Federal income tax. I actually dont give a rip, but it is irritating to listen to some folks (not all) cry about how they are being mistreated by Uncle Sam, when they're state is AT THE TOP OF THE DOLE list for Federal money. If you guys want to be independent and run your own state, start by telling your Senators and Congressmen that you prefer Alaska NOT receive any Federal monies.

I got a pretty good idea that at least your politicians have a better view of Alaskan economic picture than people on this thread. I hope to hell ya gotta a couple of common folks up there with some common sense, too.

But you do have every right to tell me to shut up and get the hell off your thread---I don't live there. I'm in a state that PAYS more in Federal income tax than it takes in Federal dole money. So you folks can spend the long winter contemplating how much you are contributing to the national economy.

And, by the way, the North Dakota oil fields hold promise of being the largest oil deposits in the hemisphere without having to be shipped across thousands of miles of ice and tundra. The promise of the Bakan oil fields may be part of the delay in committing funds to Alaska for expanded any pipelines. It's all about the profit, and has nothing to do with North Dakota is better than Alaska or any crap like that. It's just about the money, and that's where the oil producers are concentrating right now.

Goodbye Alaska, and good luck, you're gonna need it.
Buh bye. We're doing fine without your good luck wishes.

I'd cite, again, how much of Alaska is owned by the federal gub'mint and thus skews statistics but I think the effort is wasted on people who get their info from reality TV and think all we do is sit around and talk about Palin.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Bethel, Alaska
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Michael Palin, great guy!
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Palmer
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Michael Palin, great guy!
I know! He's my favorite Python.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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I know! He's my favorite Python.
And now for something completely different.


And now for something completely different - YouTube
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Palmer
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And now for something completely different.


And now for something completely different - YouTube


We can argue inappropriately about who had the biggest hurricane and who gets the most federal dollars, but no one can deny that we have the best fish here.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska
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Just because there is always room for more Monty Python:


Monty Python - And now for something completely different - YouTube
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Are you able to read those statistics you quoted? I didn't invent them---Alaskans receive FAR more in Federal funds per capita than they pay in Federal income tax. I actually dont give a rip, but it is irritating to listen to some folks (not all) cry about how they are being mistreated by Uncle Sam, when they're state is AT THE TOP OF THE DOLE list for Federal money. If you guys want to be independent and run your own state, start by telling your Senators and Congressmen that you prefer Alaska NOT receive any Federal monies.

I got a pretty good idea that at least your politicians have a better view of Alaskan economic picture than people on this thread. I hope to hell ya gotta a couple of common folks up there with some common sense, too.

But you do have every right to tell me to shut up and get the hell off your thread---I don't live there. I'm in a state that PAYS more in Federal income tax than it takes in Federal dole money. So you folks can spend the long winter contemplating how much you are contributing to the national economy.

And, by the way, the North Dakota oil fields hold promise of being the largest oil deposits in the hemisphere without having to be shipped across thousands of miles of ice and tundra. The promise of the Bakan oil fields may be part of the delay in committing funds to Alaska for expanded any pipelines. It's all about the profit, and has nothing to do with North Dakota is better than Alaska or any crap like that. It's just about the money, and that's where the oil producers are concentrating right now.

Goodbye Alaska, and good luck, you're gonna need it.
Where have I said that Alaskans are being mistreated? All I have pointed out to you are things that the statistics you have repeated over and over don't show, so i will repeat some of the most important things for you to put it on your head:

a. Over 69% of Alaska is owned by the Federal Government.

b. Of the remainder 31% of the land, most of it belongs to the Native populations.

c. State lands are but a small portion.

d. Most of the natural resources are in Federal lands, and are a source of revenue for the Federal government.


By the way, ND does have a lot of oil, but this oil is being extracted mostly on the private sector lands. Now, if the Federal Government would give us Alaska to do as we please (drill, baby,drill), then they would not have to send money to Alaska.

That said, for every barrel of oil extracted in Alaska, the Federal government receives from 17% to 23% of the money. I have no idea of how much the Federal Government takes from every ounce of gold mined in Alaska, however, but we have some of the largest gold mining operations in the US.

http://minerals.er.usgs.gov/minerals...-2011-gold.pdf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1104965.html

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