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Old 12-08-2012, 09:15 PM
 
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If no one can drink the water or breath in air does it matter what kind of economy you have.
You that might be concern if we haven't done anything about it:

Air Quality Trends | AirTrends | Air & Radiation | EPA



That's the positive so now we'll cover the absurd. The new mercury regulations that have closed older coal power plants will have the net effect of reducing mercury deposition rates here in the US 1% to 10% resulting in the average IQ increasing 2/1000 of one point. The reason for this abysmal benefit is two fold, US coal plants account for 1% of the global pool and these emissions are not localized. It's a global issue.

This actually applies very well to this topic because you ask "Why do we want to keep manufacturing jobs here?". As the cost of power increases driven by these regualtions this is one variable that will help drive more jobs overseas, the potential exists that mercury deposition rates could actually increase because of these regulations.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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You that might be concern if we haven't done anything about it:

Air Quality Trends | AirTrends | Air & Radiation | EPA



That's the positive so now we'll cover the absurd. The new mercury regulations that have closed older coal power plants will have the net effect of reducing mercury deposition rates here in the US 1% to 10% resulting in the average IQ increasing 2/1000 of one point. The reason for this abysmal benefit is two fold, US coal plants account for 1% of the global pool and these emissions are not localized. It's a global issue.

This actually applies very well to this topic because you ask "Why do we want to keep manufacturing jobs here?". As the cost of power increases driven by these regualtions this is one variable that will help drive more jobs overseas, the potential exists that mercury deposition rates could actually increase because of these regulations.
You know there are alot more chemicals to be worried about right.
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Old 12-08-2012, 09:35 PM
 
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Yes. Some parts of China are worse (in terms of pollution) than many of the pictures you see or what the media shows.
Then you know what I am talking about.

The media has a brown-yellow filter on their cameras. The air is bad.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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Are Americans sure they really want these jobs back from china, because it looks like it they with a lot of side effects. The is what happens when your country is lose on regulations. 50% of china's surface water is now undrinkable.




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air and water pollution knows no boundaries..
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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You know there are alot more chemicals to be worried about right.
When you make a post like this what it's really saying is I don't really know anything about this topic except that I know "chemicals" are bad. I can cite information on mercury, heavy metals and radiation all related to the coal industry but that is all irrelevant information if it's not in context in relationship to the natural environment and how it will effect us.

Any modern industrialized society is going to create environmental changes and you're just going to have to accept that. The goal of course should be to minimize those changes as much as practical. You need a common sense approach that is going to produce results. The mercury regulations example I'm giving is neither sensible nor does it produce a benefit so what is the point? This is just one example on a very long list.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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Are Americans sure they really want these jobs back from china, because it looks like it they with a lot of side effects. The is what happens when your country is lose on regulations. 50% of china's surface water is now undrinkable.




101 East - China's dirty secrets - YouTube

China's current environmental, social, and poltical trajectory is unsustainable. The issue isn't if major changes are going to occur in China but when and how.
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Old 12-08-2012, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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When you make a post like this what it's really saying is I don't really know anything about this topic except that I know "chemicals" are bad. I can cite information on mercury, heavy metals and radiation all related to the coal industry but that is all irrelevant information if it's not in context in relationship to the natural environment and how it will effect us.

Any modern industrialized society is going to create environmental changes and you're just going to have to accept that. The goal of course should be to minimize those changes as much as practical. You need a common sense approach that is going to produce results. The mercury regulations example I'm giving is neither sensible nor does it produce a benefit so what is the point? This is just one example on a very long list.
Can you site information about chemicals from the food industry,electronics and technology industry,clothing and fabrics industry,plastic industry and waste removal industry. Sorry but you just don't accept the fact that your industrialized society will kill your race off.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:34 PM
 
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Can you site information about chemicals from the food industry,electronics and technology industry,clothing and fabrics industry,plastic industry and waste removal industry. Sorry but you just don't accept the fact that your industrialized society will kill your race off.
Can I or do I? As far as the industrialized society goes if you want to go live in a cave have a blast. If you feel that strongly about it why aren't you living in the woods without electricity, computers and all the modern conveniences a modern industrialized society provides?
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Old 12-09-2012, 04:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't understand why Americans want manufacturing jobs to come back here. Why not move on to bigger and better things and let other nations do the dangerous, crappy jobs?
And what,may I ask, are those bigger and better things we should be moving on to?
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