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How about Israel give the terroritories back to Egypt And Jordan (Since Palestinians keep on bringing up pre-1967) and let them deal with them? Of course Israel will keep some of the WB for their troubles.
Obviously I am a believer in working with what we have today rather than what we had in the past. Today we have defined borders for Israel and Palestine. It would make sense for Israel to respect the borders of Palestine and not infringe on their borders with settlements.
Obviously I am a believer in working with what we have today rather than what we had in the past. Today we have defined borders for Israel and Palestine. It would make sense for Israel to respect the borders of Palestine and not infringe on their borders with settlements.
They are not defined borders for the West Bank and Gaza. They are Armistice lines. The territories were never a state of their own. Pre-1967 they were part of other countries and thats a fact that no one can change.
We're already covering this topic in two other threads already. How about we allow this thread to stay on topic?
They are not defined borders for the West Bank and Gaza. They are Armistice lines. The territories were never a state of their own. Pre-1967 they were part of other countries and thats a fact that no one can change.
We're already covering this topic in two other threads already. How about we allow this thread to stay on topic?
The topic is Israel shouldn't be building settlements in the borders of the West Bank which is a defined line. Which now that Palestine is on path to becoming a state, Israel needs to respect that.
Why do you have a desire for the Palestinians to lose their land to the Israelis?
Why do you have a desire for the Palestinians to lose their land to the Israelis?
Why do you have a desire for Jews to not re-claim land that they owned, on paper and not biblical whatever, pre-1948? Why should Jews not be allowed to live on generational land that happens to be in the West Bank or Gaza?
Why do you have a desire for Jews to not re-claim land that they owned, on paper and not biblical whatever, pre-1948? Why should Jews not be allowed to live on generational land that happens to be in the West Bank or Gaza?
So then you are saying the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are actually Israelis and can live anywhere in Israel they want? Therefore I guess the people of Gaza could build a settlement north of Gaza if they wants seeing they are Israelis by your definition.
So then you are saying the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are actually Israelis and can live anywhere in Israel they want? Therefore I guess the people of Gaza could build a settlement north of Gaza if they wants seeing they are Israelis by your definition.
There are 100,000s Arabs who live in Israel now with full Israeli citizenship. They chose peaceful co-existence.
The problem in the territories is not the people. Its their leadership, followers and splinter groups. Remove Hamas and Fatah(PLO) and things would change for the better. But you still have not answered by question?
FWIW - Israel has Arabic on all their money. Why would they do that if they weren't looking for coexistence. Another thing to keep in mind, Israel has no death penalty. When have you seen a judicial given death penalty given out even to the worst criminals in their prisons? Yet there are dozens of videos of the Arab lead parties killing their own citizens for as little as selling land to a Jew.
So then you are saying the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are actually Israelis and can live anywhere in Israel they want? Therefore I guess the people of Gaza could build a settlement north of Gaza if they wants seeing they are Israelis by your definition.
The 2005 disengagement was the litmus test to do so. Did the Gazan leadership choose coexistence to follow the road map to statehood or did they choose to fire rockets out of Gaza? You know the answer and currently the Gazan people have to live with the choice their elected leaders made.
Why do you have a desire for Jews to not re-claim land that they owned, on paper and not biblical whatever, pre-1948? Why should Jews not be allowed to live on generational land that happens to be in the West Bank or Gaza?
Because "Jews," didn't own it. There is no conceivable legal claim that one can make for land that was left for generations, generations who made absolutely no attempt to reclaim until after the Holocausts and even then the majority of Jewish refugees would have gladly returned to what was left of their homeland or to the United States. While I readily acknowledge that the Jews, particularly those from eastern Europe, found it virtually impossible to return to eastern Europe due to rabid post war anti-semitism that does not grant a priori a claim to the lands of the Levant.
The equivalent argument that as an African American, we could move back to Africa and displace damn near anyone that we like because it was our "ancestral" lands. Sorry but it just doesn't fly.
There are 100,000s Arabs who live in Israel now with full Israeli citizenship. They chose peaceful co-existence.
The problem in the territories is not the people. Its their leadership, followers and splinter groups. Remove Hamas and Fatah(PLO) and things would change for the better. But you still have not answered by question?
FWIW - Israel has Arabic on all their money. Why would they do that if they weren't looking for coexistence. Another thing to keep in mind, Israel has no death penalty. When have you seen a judicial given death penalty given out even to the worst criminals in their prisons? Yet there are dozens of videos of the Arab lead parties killing their own citizens for as little as selling land to a Jew.
Actually I did answer your question unless you have asked another one that I am not aware of.
Do you support the idea of a single state of Israel that joins the Palestinians and the Israelis or do you support the two state idea? Personally I support the two state idea which would allow the Palestinian people to have control over their own land and govern themselves the way they wish.
They are not defined borders for the West Bank and Gaza. They are Armistice lines. The territories were never a state of their own. Pre-1967 they were part of other countries and thats a fact that no one can change.
Well that's factually untrue. Pre-1967 modern Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire until 1920 and then after a British Mandate.
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