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Old 12-10-2012, 03:46 PM
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Believing that something doesn't exist is not a belief.

Why not just ignore it?

I don't wish to convert anyone, but atheists are constantly trying to indoctrinate others with the false pretense of "separation of church and state" or "freedom from religion".
Why should atheists continue to ignore an unconstitutional misuse of public property? The Christians have enjoyed their de facto status as an official state religion for so long that they can't come to grips with the fact that it was unconstitutional the entire time.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:49 PM
 
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Why should atheists have to just ignore an unconstitutional misuse of public property?
Is setting a manger scene or a Christmas tree on the lawn of a public library "Congress passing a law establishing a religion?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:50 PM
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Is setting a manger scene or a Christmas tree on the lawn of a public library "Congress passing a law establishing a religion?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
A manger scene and a Christmas tree are not apples to apples. The manger scene on public property has an overtly religious purpose and they have been ruled unconstitutional by the courts.

Keep your manger scenes on private property and nobody has a valid complaint. Trying to display them on public property is a violation of the 1st Amendment, courts have agreed with that analysis over and over again.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:52 PM
 
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Why should atheists continue to ignore an unconstitutional misuse of public property? The Christians have enjoyed their de facto status as an official state religion for so long that they can't come to grips with the fact that it was unconstitutional the entire time.
It is actually more constitutional for a teacher to pray in the classroom than for the teacher being prohibited from prayer.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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Is setting a manger scene or a Christmas tree on the lawn of a public library "Congress passing a law establishing a religion?
It is defacto government endorsement of one religion and exclusionary of others, and has been found to be unconstitutional.

As well it should.

Why is it so important to you that public property display the symbology of your religion? Is it not good enough that you can put it on church property, on your front yard, at your place of business, you can rent a vacant lot, or a billboard, or even create some kind of online footprint.

But for some reason, government property is your most desired location. Why?
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:53 PM
 
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A manger scene and a Christmas tree are not apples to apples. The manger scene has an overtly religious purpose and they have been ruled unconstitutional by the courts.
Name that ruling.

BTW....an overtly progressive judge ruling on something does not override the constitution.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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It is actually more constitutional for a teacher to pray in the classroom than for the teacher being prohibited from prayer.
It's completely constitutional for a teacher to pray in the classroom.

As long as he or she keeps it to themselves. Leading a class in a prayer again becomes government endorsement, which they are prohibited.

As a supplement to the above question, I would also ask why it's so important that prayer be a part of the public schools?
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:56 PM
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It is actually more constitutional for a teacher to pray in the classroom than for the teacher being prohibited from prayer.
Please cite court cases that agree with your position.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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It is defacto government endorsement of one religion and exclusionary of others, and has been found to be unconstitutional.

As well it should.

Why is it so important to you that public property display the symbology of your religion? Is it not good enough that you can put it on church property, on your front yard, at your place of business, you can rent a vacant lot, or a billboard, or even create some kind of online footprint.

But for some reason, government property is your most desired location. Why?
It's Christmas....a federal holiday.

Generations of tradition have people decorating for Christmas all across the world.

There is no such tradition of decorating for other traditions in America.

Why are you so insulted?
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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Please cite court cases that agree with your position.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Don't need one.
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