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Old 12-08-2012, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Denver, Colorado
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This is an excellent brief on the anti-worker legislation being pushed by the Republicans in Michigan:

http://irlee.umich.edu/Publications/...InMichigan.pdf

[LEFT]'And the benefits are indisputable. Depending on the occupation, unionized
workers earn wages that are ten to forty percent higher than their nonunion counterparts.
The positive differential for other forms of compensation, such as health care insurance
and pensions, is even greater. Perhaps more important than economics, however, are
matters involving justice. Nearly all union contracts feature an informal form of due
process: a grievance procedure that ends in final and binding arbitration through which
unions resolve disputes over the contract and employer discipline. As such, in most
union settings an employer must show proof that a worker committed a wrongdoing in
order to discharge them. By contrast, in a non-union setting workers are “at will” and can[/LEFT]
be discharged for any reason (or none at all) that is not proscribed by federal law.'
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have a feeling this slimy GOP move will end up costing them.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:32 AM
 
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Originally Posted by artisan4 View Post
This is an excellent brief on the anti-worker legislation being pushed by the Republicans in Michigan:

http://irlee.umich.edu/Publications/...InMichigan.pdf

[LEFT]'And the benefits are indisputable. Depending on the occupation, unionized
workers earn wages that are ten to forty percent higher than their nonunion counterparts.
The positive differential for other forms of compensation, such as health care insurance
and pensions, is even greater. Perhaps more important than economics, however, are
matters involving justice. Nearly all union contracts feature an informal form of due
process: a grievance procedure that ends in final and binding arbitration through which
unions resolve disputes over the contract and employer discipline. As such, in most
union settings an employer must show proof that a worker committed a wrongdoing in
order to discharge them. By contrast, in a non-union setting workers are “at will” and can[/LEFT]
be discharged for any reason (or none at all) that is not proscribed by federal law.'
Yup, and historically, when Union wages go up EVERYONE'S wages go up which is why Republicans want to destroy unions...unions give the average middle class American way too much power to earn a decent living. People who earn a good living aren't desperate and Republicans want Americans so desperate that they will accept any crapwages so all profits go to the top......which causes a really bad economy.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:39 AM
 
Location: DFW
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If unions add true value to a worker then they don't need laws to protect them. Workers will want to voluntarily join such a fine organization.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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Unions no longer serve the purpose they once did. They do more harm than good to this country today. The cost, the benefits, the entitlements they pursue hurt this nation more and more.
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Old 12-08-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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The Irrelevance of Labor Unions in Michigan and Elsewhere
fixed it for you
Maybe some manufacturing will return in the absence of thuggery and wage distortion.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Yup, and historically, when Union wages go up EVERYONE'S wages go up which is why Republicans want to destroy unions...unions give the average middle class American way too much power to earn a decent living. People who earn a good living aren't desperate and Republicans want Americans so desperate that they will accept any crapwages so all profits go to the top......which causes a really bad economy.
If unions are so great, then why are they worried about the "Right to work" without joining the union?

Isn't everyone scrambling to join a union so they can give some of their pay to it?

Let me paint you a different picture.

I was station in Groton, Ct. My wife wanted a part time job, just to earn a bit of extra money, so she went to work for Caldors, a department store.

She started at just over minimum wage, 20 hours a week. HOWEVER, it was a "Closed Shop", so she was FORCED to join a union, she didn't want to join.

So, after taxes the union dues took almost 1/3rd of her check. Tell me again, why unions are so wonderful, that you have to be forced to join them. Shouldn't everyone WANT to join them?

If you don't WANT to join a union, it should be your call, not the Union's call.

BTW, My wife quit, she wanted no part of a union.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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fixed it for you
Maybe some manufacturing will return in the absence of thuggery and wage distortion.
Union made steel is being produced in this country but only where the manufacturing facilities were kept up to date. For example.
Siemens receives rolling mill order from ATI for the world's most powerful hot-strip mill to ...

For those of you who hope to see the 10 year olds in the mines again,you`ll be disappointed.
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:07 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Pro-worker, not anti-worker.

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This is an excellent brief on the anti-worker legislation being pushed by the Republicans in Michigan:
What is "anti-worker" about legislation that gives an employee a right to choose whether or not to join a Union? No one should be forced to join a labor union and have money extracted from their pay to support these thugs!

Unions behave like thugs, and extract money through coercion. Nix them! I'm all for these "right to work" laws!
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Old 12-08-2012, 07:13 AM
 
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Yup, and historically, when Union wages go up EVERYONE'S wages go up which is why Republicans want to destroy unions...unions give the average middle class American way too much power to earn a decent living. People who earn a good living aren't desperate and Republicans want Americans so desperate that they will accept any crapwages so all profits go to the top......which causes a really bad economy.
Wow, I have to tell you, this average American really got screwed by the UAW in the big union bailout. My GM bonds were toasted in the bankruptcy so that the UAW benefits trust could get about ten times what it was entitled to. This after decades of paying too much for automobiles because the UAW had obtained wages two or three times market value.

Union power has historically hurt everyone except its own members. When union wages go up, everybody else's costs go up. Not a thing wrong with paying market value for labor on mutually agreeable terms--like 93% of the private sector does it.
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