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Old 12-11-2012, 12:23 PM
 
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Please allow me to throw a wrench into your blue/red state thing.

Isn't it a fact that red states have more, or greater numbers of people on welfare, meaning the red states are where most of the slackers are, and oh, yeah, are better managed? If they're better managed, why are the red states not putting those po white and black democratic voters to work.
No, that's false. 15 of the top 25 states with the highest percentage of their citizens on welfare are blue. A California resident is three times as likely to be on welfare than someone in Oklahoma.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Its a known fact the blue states prop up the red states. the whole NE corridor and California get back pennies on the dollar for money they put into the feds, while red states make bank.
1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Columbia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

I'll give the "edge" to you in that reguard, but "prop up" is a bit much.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The is no question of the big picture that the graphic brings out: the states with big Democratic machine politics, where the public sector unions have a stranglehold--Calfornia, Illinois, NY, etc--are doing something to drive people out. The red states with lower taxes, often right-to-work, and relatively weak public sector unions, are attracting people in.

There is plenty of nuance and exception. My state of Washington, is solidly blue, with strong public sector unions is owned by Dems, yet have gained population, despite having a high unemployment rate. But we have no state income tax, and the voters reject the idea time after time. Also very much a pro-gun state. Voters here are a peculiar breed.

Sure there is nuance, but you have to have a heavy dose of denial not to see the overall trend.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The is no question of the big picture that the graphic brings out: the states with big Democratic machine politics, where the public sector unions have a stranglehold--Calfornia, Illinois, NY, etc--are doing something to drive people out. The red states with lower taxes, often right-to-work, and relatively weak public sector unions, are attracting people in.

There is plenty of nuance and exception. My state of Washington, is solidly blue, with strong public sector unions is owned by Dems, yet have gained population, despite having a high unemployment rate. But we have no state income tax, and the voters reject the idea time after time. Also very much a pro-gun state. Voters here are a peculiar breed.
Washington State - Libertarian paradise
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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All three are managed better than Oregon. Minnesota is probably managed better than all three.
Interesting. By what rubric?
I currently live in Louisiana, and this place looks about as well-managed as the nightshift at a Denny's.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: NC
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1. New Mexico: $2.63
2. West Virginia: $2.57
3. Mississippi: $2.47
4. District of Columbia: $2.41
5. Hawaii: $2.38
6. Alabama: $2.03
7. Alaska: $1.93
8. Montana: $1.92
9. South Carolina: $1.92
10. Maine: $1.78

I'll give the "edge" to you in that reguard, but "prop up" is a bit much.
Look at the other end though

You should see

California
New Jersey
Connecticut
Delaware
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Illinois
Minnesota etc.

Nary a red payor state in sight.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Washington State - Libertarian paradise

Well, let's not go overboard. We are also Queen of Nanny states. Our outgoing Gov. Gregoire fired some of the opening shots in the War on Tobacco. We've had various mini-wars on booze, such as Seattle banning certain makes of malt liqour in certain areas (the companies evaded the ban by changing the names of their products, lol). Area police are tirelessly active against prostitution and strip clubs. Seattle Mayor right now is leading a crusade against Backpage.com sex ads. And we have an ongoing "War on Cars" here, too. The privately owned car is basically considered as a modern day vice.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Washington State - Libertarian paradise
Actually it is a very liberal state.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I don't think it's the brand of liberal you'd enjoy: People here own guns, smoke light drugs, are anti-tax and, more or less, anti-government.
You do know I lived there for over 8 years, and just recently moved west. I actually love it there.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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Look at the other end though

You should see

California
New Jersey
Connecticut
Delaware
Massachusetts
New Hampshire
Illinois
Minnesota etc.

Nary a red payor state in sight.
The people who pay the bulk of our tax burden (the 1%) tend to live in big cities in blue states. In fact, 75% of the richest Americans (those with over $30 million) live in blue states, which is part of the reason why blue states pay more to fund the government than red states.

When It Comes to Multi-millionaires, Blue States Dominate
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