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Old 12-14-2012, 12:18 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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And yet, ignored it to "agree" with a ditto-head.
No, I agreed that it was senseless and futile to try to make emotions rule a specifically limiting founding document.

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No, diversity isn't a loaded term unless you see it as a burden...
I don't see diversity as a burden. It is simply causing socialism to fail in our country. If you think the failure of socialism in our country is a burden, then of course you're going to think of diversity as a burden.
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Old 12-14-2012, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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No, I agreed that it was senseless and futile to try to make emotions rule a specifically limiting founding document.
While resting it on the premise that called it outdated, myopic vision of men from 200+ years ago.

But,you got carried away in a sea of emotions, while accusing others of it. So, what have you left but denial?

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I don't see diversity as a burden. It is simply causing socialism to fail in our country.
Someone who doesn't see diversity as a burden, shouldn't be preaching against it as being responsible for failure of socialism. I do see a bit of attempted backtracking though. Instead, try to be honest and learn to stick with your guns. At least Hot_Handz does that quite a bit when it comes to pointing at myopic vision written all over the US Constitution.
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Old 12-14-2012, 01:31 PM
 
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Um... I said it was a republic. Reading is fundamental.
Well, Obama is trying to be a dictator, but has not quite yet succeeded in becoming one.
Reading is indeed fundamental.
Yes, the USA is a republic, but it is also a democracy (which you denied), since you are free to vote on your presidential candidate.
A democracy has nothing to do with the american democratic party, which some people seem to believe.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:34 PM
 
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Reading is indeed fundamental.
Yes, the USA is a republic, but it is also a democracy (which you denied), since you are free to vote on your presidential candidate.
A democracy has nothing to do with the american democratic party, which some people seem to believe.
But true Democracy is more Anarchist in nature than what the western ideal of it is....

So on the same token....Contemporary Democracy is no more democratic than Monarchy or Autocracy or Plutocracy or any other term you fancy.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But true Democracy is more Anarchist in nature than what the western ideal of it is....
There must be a reason you used that word, likely to cover up your shortcomings.
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Old 12-14-2012, 03:50 PM
 
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There must be a reason you used that word, likely to cover up your shortcomings.
No....

Most Anarchsits understand that a structure emerges from a stateless society....and the preferred structure by Anarchists is a democracy.

Look at it like coffee....Some people like their coffee black, it can taste like nothing but coffee. Some add sugar, it sweetens but the flavor of coffee is still prominent. Once you add cream, it's still coffee but with much different qualities.

Then when you get to Jamocha-chino-latte...sure, it's technically coffee...but really, it's not...it's a coffee based drink.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:45 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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But true Democracy is more Anarchist in nature than what the western ideal of it is....

So on the same token....Contemporary Democracy is no more democratic than Monarchy or Autocracy or Plutocracy or any other term you fancy.
Whether you want to call it, the USA is still not a dictatorship, which is what I am trying to point out to InformedConsent.
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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Whether you want to call it, the USA is still not a dictatorship, which is what I am trying to point out to InformedConsent.
I said the U.S. is a republic.
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Exactly. The U.S. is a republic, not a democracy. Why? Because the Founders were intelligent enough to understand that a system that would allow an outcome as we would see with 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner, a significant portion of citizens voting themselves ever-increasing freebies at others' expense, or a population that votes to scapegoat and unequally penalize a certain segment of the population, would end badly.
Indeed, it is.
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United States of America

Government type: Constitution-based federal republic
https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/us.html

You seem to not understand types of government. What's up with that?
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Exactly the problem. Liberals don't think; they emote. They let irrational "feelings" control their thoughts and behaviors.
Where is the evidence that backs up this belief?

From where I sit, the evidence that conservatives, not liberals, let irrational feelings control their thoughts and behaviors. We only need to look at the recent elections, where conservatives were absolutely convinced, contrary to the polls, that Romney would win for evidence.

Other characteristics include scornful of compromise; evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition (e.g. 'liberals can't possibly have anything worthy to say because they are irrational.')

It just seems to me that InformedConsent's arguments are so weak that his only argument is to dismiss his opponents as morons or irrational, without actually addressing their arguments.
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Old 12-15-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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While resting it on the premise that called it outdated, myopic vision of men from 200+ years ago.

But,you got carried away in a sea of emotions, while accusing others of it. So, what have you left but denial?
What you have said here is a very good example of the lack of logic expressed by those who emote instead of think.

I agreed with another poster that liberals don't think; they emote. Another example of agreeing with a single concept in a statement that has more than one piece of information is the following:
If someone I went to dinner with said, "My vegetables are undercooked and are too salty," and I agreed that the food in the restaurant was too salty, it has no bearing on whether I believe the vegetables are undercooked or not. As it so happens, I prefer crispy lightly-cooked vegetables.

I do realize, though, that emoting instead of thinking is what is causing your failure to distinguish the difference.
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Someone who doesn't see diversity as a burden, shouldn't be preaching against it as being responsible for failure of socialism.
Solely responsible? No. A major contributing factor for why it will not work in the U.S.? Yes.

What has been the result on the U.S.'s decades-long socialist programs' war on poverty?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/11864-the-war-on-poverty-$15-trillion-and-nothing-to-show-for-it?tmpl=component&print=1
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