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Old 12-12-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Want is insatiable.
Which is why free market is utopian.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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But yea....trying to bring that model here just doesn't work because multiculturalism is the sticking point.
If that's the case then why are we not stuck here in Multicultural Canada? The reason the model does not work in the USA has nothing to do with culture. It does not work because the USA is corrupt to the core. In order for social programmes to work well you need a lot of folks that are not just looking for what's in it for themselves. Since, "What's in it for me" is actually the American ideal for a large % of the people, chaos reigns in the public sphere.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:46 AM
 
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Which is why free market is utopian.
Stalin's want was insatiable, Hitler's want was insatiable. I think that many on Wall street are no different than Hitler and Stalin, only instead of taking Poland they want to take the company nest to them in a hostile takeover.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Want is insatiable.
That could be true.

But nobody's seriously trying to transform America into a socialist economy; thus, the issue's moot.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:56 AM
 
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If that's the case then why are we not stuck here in Multicultural Canada? The reason the model does not work in the USA has nothing to do with culture. It does not work because the USA is corrupt to the core. In order for social programmes to work well you need a lot of folks that are not just looking for what's in it for themselves. Since, "What's in it for me" is actually the American ideal for a large % of the people, chaos reigns in the public sphere.
It doesn't work in the U.S. because the commitment to social capitalism is half-hearted. The time we're living in now is probably similar to the late 1920s and early 1930s. People had a similar devotion to free market ideals back then and it took a good two or three years of economic calamity before people began to switch loyalties. People have to get behind and issue a mandate; otherwise, we're left dithering around trying to debate the merits of incorporating socialist mechanisms into an economy that is still largely capitalist.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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And of course there's no want in any other form of society.

How is it that want is only detrimental to socialism?

"Want" in capitalism drives innovation and hard work.

"Want" in socialism drives benefits from the government, taken from the productive private sector.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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"Want" in capitalism drives innovation and hard work.
Capitalism is NOT free market. It is regulated market but without government ownerships.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Want is insatiable.
Nonsense is all consuming.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Sweden
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I know, for a fact....there is a SERIOUS rental blackmarket issue in Sweden. Your classic San Francisco hipster that works in a coffee shop and doesn't mind overpaying (because there is an underground bidding market) to live in a shoebox as long as he can afford his weekend binge of Molly....they might not care! As long as they have healthcare on the dole, they could care less that they are renting an apartment that is being subcontracted, twice. But many people are disillusioned when they visit these countries for a reason.
This the second time I see that you write this and you are wrong.
It is true in Stockholm, but not in the rest of the country.

And of course you need to learn the language.
It´s the same in the US and every other country in the world.
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Old 12-12-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Sweden and Denmark aren't socialist. They are social democratic (no, not the same as democratic socialism) countries. Cuba is socialist, former USSR was socialist, East Germany socialist, China and Vietnam are quasi-socialist these days,
Most every person's ideology, or a countries politics is quasi-something. Not one of them fits the exact definitions laid out in the dictionary.
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