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Old 12-12-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: NC
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And imagine what Obama is offering in exchange for those tax increases.

I'm expecting to see a lopsided trade, again. But don't worry, you guys will think it's awesome, no matter what.

Take a tough stance and when you "give in" the other party has come a lot further off their starting point than you have. Negotiations 101.
In politics it works a little differently. Essentially if you win an election the other side tends to be the ones that realize they need to give in. That is why in 2007 Republicans gave into Democrats on Minimum wage with little resistance after opposing it for so long. That is also why Democrats appeared to be giving in in 2011. Now Republicans lost an election, as such they are having to give in. Even Ann Coulter admits this.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:31 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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When the Country is sour and in the tank, negative economy, inspite of the lies. No Hope or Change, and we are never going to be moving Forward with Obama!

It is not us, it is those who fall so easily under one's spell?

Some won't fall over and patrionize someone who is not deserving of it.

Neither should all of those who have been put under welfare and food stamps who for the frist time in their life, find themselves in this position.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:37 AM
 
Location: None of your business
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Even if you think that $200K per year is filthy rich, taking all of the income of such people for an entire year isn't even close to funding our federal government for a full year -- never mind state and local government.
The next step down in the 2009 IRS data is the $100K income point.

There are a lot more taxpayers reporting over $100K income then there are over $200K. The IRS says that only 2.8% of returns reported over $200K in income, but 12.4% of returns reported over $100K in income. So even though the cutoff is half as much income, it represents about five times as many taxpayers.

The bottom line is that we cannot fund our current levels of spending even if we make unrealistically charitable assumptions about taxpayer response to confiscatory tax rates and confiscate the entire annual income of every American who made more than $100K in 2009.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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In politics it works a little differently. Essentially if you win an election the other side tends to be the ones that realize they need to give in. That is why in 2007 Republicans gave into Democrats on Minimum wage with little resistance after opposing it for so long. That is also why Democrats appeared to be giving in in 2011. Now Republicans lost an election, as such they are having to give in. Even Ann Coulter admits this.
uhm...the republicans won the peoples house.....
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:00 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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The bottom line is that we cannot fund our current levels of spending...
I'm not aware of anyone who will disagree with this.
Are you prepared to do anything constructive about solving the underlying problem?
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I'm not aware of anyone who will disagree with this.
Are you prepared to do anything constructive about solving the underlying problem?
the question is washingtonDC prepared

we need to CUT (real cuts, not a cut of increases)ACROSS THE BOARD (EVERY LINE IN THE BUDGET)(no exceptions) 15%


but the fascist liberals wont even think about it
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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we need to CUT (real cuts, not a cut of increases) ACROSS THE BOARD
(EVERY LINE IN THE BUDGET) (no exceptions) 15%
Oh.

Anyone else able to stay on point??
Are you prepared to do anything constructive about solving the underlying problem?
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Charlotte
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Cool lol...

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the question is washingtonDC prepared

we need to CUT (real cuts, not a cut of increases)ACROSS THE BOARD (EVERY LINE IN THE BUDGET)(no exceptions) 15%


but the fascist liberals wont even think about it
This is an untenable and unrealistic proposal to a real problem.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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^I think the poll is on Americans, not Congressional members.

And I don't think Obama has convinced the American people, including Republicans. I think the realization that this is the only step forward, coupled with losing the election, are pushing those Republicans to side with hiked taxes. I have a feeling that if Romney had won, those numbers would not be so.
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Yea, just imagine lol, the rich could pay for 8 days of running the government then they would have be promoting "tax the middle class".

You don't get it. No matter how much they tax if spending is not under control it will never be enough.
^^^ and a bag of chips
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I'm going to go buy a car, new clothes and a pantry full of food!!! When the bills come due, I'll tell the card processor that I'm waiting for a new budget deal. HEY, I'm now a progressive!!!

Next year; maybe I'll buy a boat and go to Hawaii for a few weeks. Who needs to spend within your means when you can raise the budget instead. If I simply ignore my debt, then I have nothing to worry about.

Maybe I should run for office as a Dem!
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