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Old 12-13-2012, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Sure you can, happens all the time. Every bridge has a weight limit, for safety reasons, if you have a vehicle that is too heavy you can't drive on it. This is just an expansion of the safety limitation. They think hybrids are a safety issue and don't want them on their roads.

If it actually passed I'm sure some latte drinking, Prius driving, liberal from WA would cross the border just to push the point and take it to court.
Care to explain the research that backs up this "safety limitation" claim?
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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There was a case a while back...a traveler is going from somewhere he could possess a handgun to somewhere he could, and traveling by plane (which is perfectly legal as long as it's declared and checked). His plane is diverted into NYC due to weather or a mechanical issue and he has to spend the night , then catch a flight the next day. When he tries to check the handgun for his new flight he was arrested for violating the cities gun laws.
Link, or you're making it up.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Link, or you're making it up.
Happy to oblige. I'll accept your apology.

Traveling Man's Gun Arrest Appealed to Supreme Court | Fox News
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You would think so, wouldn't you? There was a case a while back...a traveler is going from somewhere he could possess a handgun to somewhere he could, and traveling by plane (which is perfectly legal as long as it's declared and checked). His plane is diverted into NYC due to weather or a mechanical issue and he has to spend the night , then catch a flight the next day. When he tries to check the handgun for his new flight he was arrested for violating the cities gun laws.

So, maybe we tweak the law a bit. You can drive your Prius through on the interstate. But if you stop to buy gas, or have a breakdown and it is towed off the freeway, you can be arrested and the car confiscated. Oh, and we're not going to put out any signs, it's up to the driver to know the laws in our city.
Technically it happened in New Jersey, not NYC.

He also technically knew he was flying through Newark and should of checked their laws on handguns as well if he was going to choose to fly with a gun....which honestly I can never understand those that think they need to have their gun where ever they go, but in the case of something like this there should be a way for someone who is flying and legally check their gun at one location be able to take it to their final destination. Whether it be leaving the gun at security of the connecting airport or what, there should be a clause in there for this. He was obviously arrested because there hasn't been an addition to the law to address this issue.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:03 PM
 
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You would think so, wouldn't you? There was a case a while back...a traveler is going from somewhere he could possess a handgun to somewhere he could, and traveling by plane (which is perfectly legal as long as it's declared and checked). His plane is diverted into NYC due to weather or a mechanical issue and he has to spend the night , then catch a flight the next day. When he tries to check the handgun for his new flight he was arrested for violating the cities gun laws.

So, maybe we tweak the law a bit. You can drive your Prius through on the interstate. But if you stop to buy gas, or have a breakdown and it is towed off the freeway, you can be arrested and the car confiscated. Oh, and we're not going to put out any signs, it's up to the driver to know the laws in our city.
I imagine there are lawyers reading this thread who are drooling in anticipation. I hope your city has a good legal defense fund...
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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What do you think of this idea?
A local law that specifically prohibits the operation of hybrid motor vehicles would be preempted by federal and state laws. Federal and state agencies that have regulatory authority/jurisdiction over the manufacture, sale, and operation of motor vehicles have deemed hybrid vehicles acceptable for manufacture, sale, and operation. Cities have no authority over the operation of hybrid vehicles except in matters of how the roads are used by them, i.e. laws regulating speed limits, parking, etc.

[but those laws would apply to all vehicles of similar function regardless of how the vehicle is powered]
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I imagine there are lawyers reading this thread who are drooling in anticipation. I hope your city has a good legal defense fund...
Like NYC? Or Chicago? Or DC? Unfortunately we're a much smaller city, but those big cities have established the precedence.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Where they serve real ale.
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My city leaders are considering making hybrids illegal. Some are convinced that the batteries pose a fire hazzard, and the high voltages are a danger to first responders in the event of an accident. There would be a $3000 fine or jail time for driving one in city limits. And considering that a major interstate goes across the city, this could be quite the revenue source.

What do you think of this idea?
It's a half thought out reaction to a problem specific to one model which has already been fixed for free via a recall.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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A local law that specifically prohibits the operation of hybrid motor vehicles would be preempted by federal and state laws. Federal and state agencies that have regulatory authority/jurisdiction over the manufacture, sale, and operation of motor vehicles have deemed hybrid vehicles acceptable for manufacture, sale, and operation. Cities have no authority over the operation of hybrid vehicles except in matters of how the roads are used by them, i.e. laws regulating speed limits, parking, etc.

[but those laws would apply to all vehicles of similar function regardless of how the vehicle is powered]
Federal agencies also have similar authority over firearms. Yet cities routinely pass laws that are more restrictive than federal ones. So...given that, why are specific classes of vehicles not equally subject to local jurisdiction? There is considerable precedent even for motor vehicles. Some states don't allow tandem trailers (one vehicle pulling multiple trailers) while some do, there are no federal restrictions. I believe that vehicles with LNG and/or propane tanks over a certain size are banned in some places (tunnels specifically). So...if someone in my city thinks that hybrids pose a danger, why can't they restrict them?
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:17 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I think its absolutely stupid and I don't think it will ever hold up in court.


well, NYC is making all sorts of things illegal there, and I dont see democrats or republicans screaming about that. dont know why it would be any different here in this case.
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