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If you line up the ALL the numbers of mass shootings from the 1963 University of Texas sniper to the most recent incident in Newton, Connecticut the overwhelming marjority of these killers were White males. Also throw in serial killers like Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dalmer, Charles Bundy and others and you have a consistent pattern of White males being the predominate group committing these crimes far out of proportion to the their numbers in the general population.
In fact FBI profiles start with the premise of a serial killer being a White male.
Why is it that SOME White Americans have absolutely no problem proclaiming Black Americans commit disproportionate number of crimes but seem very reluctant to admit to socially and criminally pathological behavior among themselves?
Are SOME White Americans so invested in the perception of their so-called "superiority" that they can't honestly admit that they have problems. And in fact does these attempts to "Sweep these problems" under the rug" contribute to not addressing these issues effectively?
Does White Male Privilege lead some White Men to pathological extremes where they feel they have the right to take as many lives as possible to assuage their anger or feelings of social isolation?
This is a very interesting conversation.
Some poster asks why african americans are feared more than some mentally unstable white boys owning guns. The answer is simple.
Which one in your mind would more likely happen to you: getting mugged at night while you are walking on the street or getting killed during a killing spree in a movie theatre?
Alot of people would say the latter. And unfortunately the latter was usually perpetrated by african americans. THerefore, people are more afraid; thus stereotype more african american population in general.
Of course, there are more factors involved. But I think it is one of the factor that most peoplesubliminally affect their way of thinking.
This is a very interesting conversation.
Some poster asks why african americans are feared more than some mentally unstable white boys owning guns. The answer is simple.
Which one in your mind would more likely happen to you: getting mugged at night while you are walking on the street or getting killed during a killing spree in a movie theatre?
Alot of people would say the latter. And unfortunately the latter was usually perpetrated by african americans. THerefore, people are more afraid; thus stereotype more african american population in general.
Of course, there are more factors involved. But I think it is one of the factor that most peoplesubliminally affect their way of thinking.
Again I have no problem with the saying Black Americans commit a disproportional amount of murders, and robberies, and gun related crimes. Must of these crimes committed with guns are related to gang activity, crime for financial gain, drug dealing and interpersonal conflicts.
However when its pointed out that White Americans and White males in particular are responsible for a disproportional amount of mass shootings and mass killings its meet with defensiveness, evasion and outright denial by many White Americans.
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However when its pointed out that White Americans and White males in particular are responsible for a disproportional amount of mass shootings and mass killings its meet with defensiveness, evasion and outright denial by many White Americans.
No denial here. Only the fact that these "mass shootings" are VERY RARE, and the MSM would have you believe they happen as often as the murders that happen EVERY DAY in places like Chicago and D.C.
Well, the recent Brookfield Square Mall massacre in Wisconsin involved a black male shooter, the Hartford Distribution killing involved a black male shooter, the Virginia Tech killer was Asian. I can go on if you like
Yep that's the stupid kind of **** that black folks kill folk over, a woman, and money.
Of course the statistic that IS NEVER posted by folks like yourself is that the biggest VICTIM of violent crime is an African American male, usually shot over.... women and money.
I just do not understand why the media always portrays young black men that has the criminal mind, when young white men constantly do the most heinous crimes for some of the most ridiculous reasons (lost a girlfriend, failed a test) three in one week, same profile. Yet watch out for the black guy across the street he is up to no good. I see reports saying it was easy access to guns and mental illness. In the worst inner city neighborhood black men have guns and probably have had a much more difficult life than any of the mass white male shooters. Why is it that they don't go to movie theaters or schools shooting people when things dont go their way?
People in the barber shops, and in most african american communities talk about it all the time. Yet the mainstream white media wants to tell us that it was mental illness and guns. If a black person did exactly what this white man did in Newton, I am certain there would be racist comments, and people saying it is in our nature to be bad. Well history tells us that black men are not really the bad seeds.
Where do you see the media portraying black men as more criminal? From old TV shows back in the 70's perhaps? Every show that incorporates black men nowadays, shows them as successful, heroic, and charismatic, or as victims who didn't deserve it. It is the white male characters that are the ones they portrays as victimizers, or as silly, untrustworthy, or adulterous, you name it. It's all about political correctness. If the script calls for a bad guy, it is almost always a white guy these days. Every watch Law & Order? Miami CSI? Hawaii 5-0?
The reality is, that all cities, (not just the ones in the U.S.) that have large black populations have high crime rates. It's just the way it is. You don't see it on TV anymore, because it makes black folks mad. Every city with a black section, --that area is always high crime. Neighborhoods that are mostly white, have low crime, even if their middle or low income. If whites are outnumbered by blacks, guaranteed they'll be treated a lot worse than any alleged racism against blacks in a predominately white area.
in 2000, less than a year following the shootings at Columbine High School, the NY Times undertook what is thought to be the most comprehensive look at "rampage killings" in the US, compiling a data set that spanned the prior 50-years. it's definitely worth a read:
here are some relevant excerpts, many of which echo what has been mentioned here, but others not so much...
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One of the most remarkable insights to emerge from the survey is how much these killers differ from the typical American murderer.
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The rampage killers, on the other hand, were white, by far, though 18 of the 102 were black, and 7 Asian. The racial profile of the rampage killers is close to that of the entire population.
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And there seemed to be no urban bias for these crimes, as there is for other violent crimes; 31 were in suburban areas, 25 were in small towns or rural areas. Forty two of those surveyed committed their crimes in urban areas.
That profile -- a group that is largely suicidal, and shows few of the demographic patterns of poverty and race associated with regular crime -- suggests that mental illness plays a huge role, psychiatrists say.
''Mental illness does not vary in different races, but socioeconomics do,'' said Dr. Lothar Adler, director of a psychiatric hospital in Muhlhausen, Germany, and author of ''Amok,'' a book on multiple murder.
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These crimes are not new. Public rampage killings first entered the national consciousness with Charles Whitman, who stood on the University of Texas's tower in 1966, firing his rifle at students, killing 14 people.
Nor are they peculiarly American. The best scientific thinking, in a field that is admittedly understudied, now holds that multiple, public murder occurs at a fairly constant level across time and cultures. What some people call ''running amok,'' a term first used in Malaysia to describe frenzied, indiscriminate killing, has been observed in many cultures, with weapons as varied as grenades and tanks in addition to high-powered handguns.
''Even though homicide rates and suicide rates are very different from country to country,'' said Peter M. Marzuk, a professor in the department of psychiatry at the Weill Medical College of Cornell University, ''the rates of murder-suicide are really the same throughout the world.''
OP you are on target. I haven't read the whole thread. But the thing is, the white spree killers are always portrayed....a bit more sympathetically if you will. No one blames the crime on the fact the spree killer is white and "white people are like that."
Generally speaking the stories focus on the great family he had, the caring parents, and how it is a "shock" that he could do something like that.
When the killer is let's say non-white, people are quick to blame his religion, race, parents or something else. You don't hear about mental illness or positive traits.
I don't believe that's the reason. I think American society (which largely consist of whites) wants to believe that their sons and daughters are incapable of committing such acts unless they are mentally deranged. Blacks on the other hand are simply viewed as criminal, so when crimes occur, blacks are just labeled as killers, whereas mental illness is used to explain white pathology.
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