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Old 12-16-2012, 02:03 PM
 
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LBJ signed it into law after JFK, Malcolm X, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King were assassinated. If you read it, it is pretty straight forward but what caught my attention that you will read is #3. Here is what the bill says (and pay attention to number 3):

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C44.txt
Under the GCA, selling of firearms to certain categories of individuals is prohibited:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person - (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year

(2) is a fugitive from justice;

(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

(5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

(6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;

(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or

(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.


So there you have it. It is very strict and straight forward. This law has been on the table for 44 years. I was listening to Michael Savage last night and he brought up a good point. He say's that it needs to updated so so that 'modern day category' pertaining to the unpredictable 'anti-depressants' such as Prozac can be added to it. I agree. Just ban people from having guns who are on these new type of meds. Many of these shooters have been on powerful psychotic anti-depressants of some kind.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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LBJ signed it into law after JFK, Malcolm X, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King were assassinated. If you read it, it is pretty straight forward but what caught my attention that you will read is #3. Here is what the bill says (and pay attention to number 3):

http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C44.txt
Under the GCA, selling of firearms to certain categories of individuals is prohibited:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person - (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year

(2) is a fugitive from justice;

(3) is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));

(4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;

(5) who, being an alien - (A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or (B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

(6) who (!2) has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;

(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his citizenship;

(8) is subject to a court order that restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily injury to the partner or child, except that this paragraph shall only apply to a court order that - (A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received actual notice, and at which such person had the opportunity to participate; and (B)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner or child; or (ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause bodily injury; or

(9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.


So there you have it. It is very strict and straight forward. This law has been on the table for 44 years. I was listening to Michael Savage last night and he brought up a good point. He say's that it needs to updated so so that 'modern day category' pertaining to the unpredictable 'anti-depressants' such as Prozac can be added to it. I agree. Just ban people from having guns who are on these new type of meds. Many of these shooters have been on powerful psychotic anti-depressants of some kind.

So how exactly do you a ban a shooter like Lanza from getting guns when he go them from his mom? Even if you stop mentally ill people from buying guns, there's still massively gaping holes through which they can still obtain firearms.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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So how exactly do you a ban a shooter like Lanza from getting guns when he go them from his mom? Even if you stop mentally ill people from buying guns, there's still massively gaping holes through which they can still obtain firearms.
So what is your solution then? Be specific.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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So how exactly do you a ban a shooter like Lanza from getting guns when he go them from his mom? Even if you stop mentally ill people from buying guns, there's still massively gaping holes through which they can still obtain firearms.
You do not. The shooting in Connecticut was unfortunate, but unavoidable. Nobody is going to be able to stop a dedicated lunatic, willing to give their own life, who is hell-bent on killing people. No amount of police, no law, nothing will stop this kind of wacko.

You are also not going to be able to stop the mentally ill from buying firearms, because most of the mentally ill are functional. Meaning they are indistinguishable from those who are mentally stable.

Probably the best approach is not the most intuitive. Like eliminating all "gun free zones" in the US. At least then it will give lunatics who are determined to kill as many people as possible some pause before picking a target. If it is possible that they may be shot before they are able to kill lots of people, they may not pick such a place as their target.

The Colorado theater shooting is a perfect example. There were nine other theaters where the shooter could have gone, but he picked the one, and only, theater that banned all firearms. Therefore, the shooter knew he could safely kill a lot of people.

The exact same mentality applies to schools and universities. They are perfect targets for these nut-jobs specifically because they are firearm free zones.

As long as there are "gun free zones," that is where we can expect the most deaths by firearm to occur. Once you remove all "gun free zones" it makes it far less obvious where the next target will be.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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You do not. The shooting in Connecticut was unfortunate, but unavoidable. Nobody is going to be able to stop a dedicated lunatic, willing to give their own life, who is hell-bent on killing people. No amount of police, no law, nothing will stop this kind of wacko.

You are also not going to be able to stop the mentally ill from buying firearms, because most of the mentally ill are functional. Meaning they are indistinguishable from those who are mentally stable.

Probably the best approach is not the most intuitive. Like eliminating all "gun free zones" in the US. At least then it will give lunatics who are determined to kill as many people as possible some pause before picking a target. If it is possible that they may be shot before they are able to kill lots of people, they may not pick such a place as their target.

The Colorado theater shooting is a perfect example. There were nine other theaters where the shooter could have gone, but he picked the one, and only, theater that banned all firearms. Therefore, the shooter knew he could safely kill a lot of people.

The exact same mentality applies to schools and universities. They are perfect targets for these nut-jobs specifically because they are firearm free zones.

As long as there are "gun free zones," that is where we can expect the most deaths by firearm to occur. Once you remove all "gun free zones" it makes it far less obvious where the next target will be.
You are absolutely correct on your assessment. It's time to lift the ban on 'Gun Free Zones'.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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The USA actually has the most liberal gun laws in the Western world. The types of controls they have in Switzerland, Finland, Israel would make people here scream bloody murder.
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The USA actually has the most liberal gun laws in the Western world.
Not liberal enough. When the entire US is like Alaska and Vermont, that do not require a permit to carry a concealed weapon, then the US will have "the most liberal gun laws in the Western world."
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Old 12-16-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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So what is your solution then? Be specific.
Tax the ***** out of ammo. There are already 250 million firearms out there, so regulating them is impossible, but you can regulate ammunition and tax it to high heaven so it isn't easy for someone to obtain 1000 rounds, an amount which no sane person even needs to "protect" themselves.
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:06 PM
 
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Tax the ***** out of ammo. There are already 250 million firearms out there, so regulating them is impossible, but you can regulate ammunition and tax it to high heaven so it isn't easy for someone to obtain 1000 rounds, an amount which no sane person even needs to "protect" themselves.
All that will succeed in accomplishing is creating a huge black-market. If it pays well enough, I would be happy to use my reloading equipment to manufacture ammunition and sell it tax-free.

I can crank out around 500 to 600 rounds in an evening while watching TV.

I have put more than 15,000 rounds through my firearms since I have owned them. Just like any tool, it takes practice to become proficient. THAT is the true definition of "gun control" - Being able to hit where you aim, and that requires practice.
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Old 12-16-2012, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Tax the ***** out of ammo. There are already 250 million firearms out there, so regulating them is impossible, but you can regulate ammunition and tax it to high heaven so it isn't easy for someone to obtain 1000 rounds, an amount which no sane person even needs to "protect" themselves.
What an idiotic "solution". Making it more expensive isn't going to make it more difficult, just cost more. Do you really think that a suicide killer is going to care how much the ammunition costs? None of the crazies who committed them brought 1,000 rounds with them anyway.

That would do absolutely nothing to stop these incidents, that IS what you really want, right? The truth is that you just want to ban guns but know you can't get away with it.
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