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Old 12-17-2012, 10:41 AM
 
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So adding more regulations is going to help?
Never said we needed to add more gun regulations in Chicago.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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I think the community plays a central role, but so does law enforcement. Make no mistake about it, there's a reason why crime thrives in poor neighborhoods. Dealers and other criminals are allowed to operate within the confines of low-income communities.

Trust me, if the National Guard was ever called in, the violence would come to an immediate halt. Drug dealers are not going to battle with the military, but they will certainly shoot down a convenience store owner, or community organizer who tries to dismantle their turf.

Throughout parts of NYC and NJ, the National Guard was called in immediately after Hurricane Sandy for a reason. This sent a clear message that certain communities were off limits to looting and violence.
FYI, in the communities where they didn't show up--coincidentally, the less-affluent communities--they came out in droves. Only neighbors keeping an eye out and signs posted threatening that looters would be shot (one sign added, "and survivors will be shot again") prevented a lot more theft than happened. I guess some things are the same whether you're in inner-city Chicago or small blue-collar communities on the Jersey bayshore.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:54 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Many if not most of the victims of gun shootings in Chicago are either gangbangers or people with criminal records.

If you think these people aren't armed, then I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you, you can see Russia from it.
Do you have any idea how many of those killed are innocent bystanders?

Innocent bystander killed in Ecorse club shooting - Chicago News and Weather
Man charged in July slaying of innocent bystander - Chicago Tribune
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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So adding more regulations is going to help?
Nope. The criminals ignore the regulations and bans because they're, well... CRIMINALS.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Bethesda, MD
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The question is, why do the others remain behind? Is it the old "you won't try to escape from a dungeon unless you know you are in one?" Is it lack of hope? These are the things that have to be addressed. Why do some people have the drive to take the risks of change and others do not, and is there anything that can be done to get more to join the former group?
Perhaps, the people who "escape" are not mired in poverty. Also, I'm sure, some of them have family and/or friends who are professionals. Since they have some sort of exposure to another way of life, they know that they can do better, and they strive to do so.

But the fact remains, the ghetto is not just a physical existence, apparently, it's a mental one as well. Many people who reside in the worst parts of Chicago are there, because that's their existence in a nutshell. The better life over the rainbow is simply not part of the paradigm.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I agree. It's way overdue for taking action on the gun violence in places like Chicago.
He mentioned Chicago in his first speech about the incident.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Never said we needed to add more gun regulations in Chicago.
Chicago can make any local law they want, but people can always hop in their car and be in Indiana in about 30 minutes and buy a gun there.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Bethesda, MD
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He mentioned Chicago in his first speech about the incident.
How nice, an honorary mention.

Just to put this into context, seriously think about how the nation would respond if over 150 white men in Appalachia died due to gun violence within a 3 month period.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:03 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I think the community plays a central role, but so does law enforcement. Make no mistake about it, there's a reason why crime thrives in poor neighborhoods. Dealers and other criminals are allowed to operate within the confines of low-income communities.
Yep. And Rahm Emanuel considers Black on Black gun homicides so important that we have this sorry state of affairs:
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Chicago is in the grips of a deadly gang war. At least 275 people have been killed in the city so far this year and many more have been shot, many of them innocent bystanders to the gang violence. Among the latest victims were 12- and 13-year-old girls shot Tuesday night. They survived.

Sgt. Matt Little leads one of the teams in Chicago's Gang Enforcement Unit. There are about 200 such officers in the city-- versus 100,000 gang members.
Chicago police sergeant: "Tribal warfare" on the streets - CBS News

The cops are outnumbered 500 to 1. And law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying firearms to protect themselves. No wonder Chicago is the deadliest city in the world.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Chicago can make any local law they want, but people can always hop in their car and be in Indiana in about 30 minutes and buy a gun there.
Which is illegal, unless they go through a FFL dealer.....
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