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Old 12-17-2012, 09:40 AM
 
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I opened this thread to have a realistic conversation and up to date

Here, (the post I opened the thread with) once again this is resonable....



71 year old Man Stops Armed Robbery - YouTube
I can't view the video, so I'm missing a part of your argument.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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This is my point, you are straying off topic thinking rational gun laws would threaten your right to asemble and worship. That's paranoia and makes your response very evasive to the real topic at hand. Why is it neccessary for civilians to possess these extreme this extreme type of weaponry?
If you are so eager to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to the Second Amendment, why would you not be also be just as willing to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to all the other amendments to the US Constitution?

Only a fool would voluntarily give up or restrict their inherent individual rights.

Why is it necessary for me to own high powered weapons? Because I deem that it is necessary. That should be sufficient. Or maybe I should just place you in front of an 800 pound charging brown bear and let you tell me what you think is necessary.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:42 AM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Yea, if you keep ignorant lefties (who typically use emotion rather than information out of the argument).
I agree, though they are just as bad as ignorrant right wing nuts fueled with anger. American politics only see black and white scapegoating one another never any middle ground.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:43 AM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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I can't view the video, so I'm missing a part of your argument.
71-Year-Old Man Shoots Would-Be Robbers at Ocala Internet Cafe: Authorities | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:46 AM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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If you are so eager to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to the Second Amendment, why would you not be also be just as willing to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to all the other amendments to the US Constitution?

Only a fool would voluntarily give up or restrict their inherent individual rights.

Why is it necessary for me to own high powered weapons? Because I deem that it is necessary. That should be sufficient. Or maybe I should just place you in front of an 800 pound charging brown bear and let you tell me what you think is necessary.
I'd say ask a Canadian, they know how to deal with Grizzlies yet they don't seem to have as bad of an epidemic of gun violence as we do.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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The mother in the Connecticut home that posssed an automatic weapon (why?) that got into the hands of a mentally unstable citizen.
It was not an automatic weapon. While, in some states anyway, it is legal to own an automatic weapon, it is a paperwork nightmare and incredibly expensive. A legally, fully auto version of the rifle I own is upwards of $15,000.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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If you are so eager to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to the Second Amendment, why would you not be also be just as willing to restrict the inherent individual rights of people in regard to all the other amendments to the US Constitution?

Only a fool would voluntarily give up or restrict their inherent individual rights.

Why is it necessary for me to own high powered weapons? Because I deem that it is necessary. That should be sufficient. Or maybe I should just place you in front of an 800 pound charging brown bear and let you tell me what you think is necessary.
There are restrictions on the 1st amendment. You can't use speech to incite violence, false statements of fact, obscenity, child pornography, threats, and speech owned by others are all completely exempt from First Amendment protections. Commercial advertising receives diminished, but not eliminated, protection.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I'd say ask a Canadian, they know how to deal with Grizzlies yet they don't seem to have as bad of an epidemic of gun violence as we do.
I know how to deal with grizzlies, plus I know how to deal with even bigger bears. I just need the right tool for the job, and that tool is a rifle or shotgun big enough to stop an 800 pound charging brown bear. Either a fully automatic or a semi-automatic large caliber weapon would be preferred, like the AA-12.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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There are restrictions on the 1st amendment. You can't use speech to incite violence, false statements of fact, obscenity, child pornography, threats, and speech owned by others are all completely exempt from First Amendment protections. Commercial advertising receives diminished, but not eliminated, protection.
Similarly there are already restrictions on the Second Amendment. Nobody can use their inherent individual right to inflict harm upon another, except in self-defense. That includes the First Amendment as well as the Second Amendment.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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Similarly there are already restrictions on the Second Amendment. Nobody can use their inherent individual right to inflict harm upon another, except in self-defense. That includes the First Amendment as well as the Second Amendment.
But you are responsible for the harm caused by your speech, you should also be responsible for the harm caused by any gun that is registered in your name, unless it was reported stolen.

If your kid gets his hands on a gun owned by you, YOU should be held responsible for any harm caused by that gun. Keep it locked up, and out of the hands of others.
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