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Old 12-17-2012, 11:21 AM
 
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What is missing from American gun laws is personal accoutability for the guns that you own. Also you can't get a gun if you can't prove you need a gun.

Australia had this same problem and solved it. Here's how........

Gun control: After Connecticut shooting, could Australia's laws provide a lesson?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:22 AM
 
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They didn't solve anything. Criminal will get illegal guns. They don't care about the laws.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:41 AM
 
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Fro blog mther reported posted she went theru the metnal';leagal system without getting any effetcive help with a mental violent son.She related a incident of him gettig a knife and chasig her which she locked herself i her car i garage. She described reportin g and concelors;mental drugs treatemnt and even talked about probatio office being no help.It read like a wait until he doesw something story once again we have read so often.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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They didn't solve anything. Criminal will get illegal guns. They don't care about the laws.
ZERO gun massacres and a murder rate that is just a fraction of USA's one and you write: gun control doesn't work?
Wow... republicans and their war on logic and facts
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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Gun control works despite what the gun nuts claim. FACT.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:48 PM
 
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Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia - YouTube
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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They didn't solve anything. Criminal will get illegal guns. They don't care about the laws.
Should anything be regulated? Should we have any laws at all? After all, if criminals will always get illegal guns, and criminals will always commit crimes, why even bother writing laws at all?

There will also always be criminals who get away, so maybe we shouldn't have police either.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:54 PM
 
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Oh my God, OH_MY_GOD!!!! I guess Sydney and Melbourne - after gun control laws - have become crime-ridden hellholes comparable to Detroit, Miami, Atlanta and New Orleans... oh, wait... nevermind.

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Old 12-17-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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It doesn't matter if the world is happy go lucky and no one ever dies again if strict gun ownership laws are passed. It infringes on individual liberties guaranteed by the Constitution.

There is no cost that is too high to protect liberty.

(And I hope no one lashes out at me for that comment but that's what I believe)
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Old 12-17-2012, 01:07 PM
 
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Australia had this same problem and solved it. Here's how........

Gun control: After Connecticut shooting, could Australia's laws provide a lesson?

A few takeaways from that article:
  • "At the heart of the push was a massive buyback of more than 600,000 semi-automatic shotguns and rifles, or about one-fifth of all firearms in circulation in Australia."
    • So there were 3 million guns in circulation when the program began, or ~ 1 for every 7 people in the nation. We have an estimated 300,000,000 or nearly 1 per person. Very different landscape
  • "The country's new gun laws .... required that all weapons be individually registered to their owners, and required that gun buyers present a “genuine reason” for needing each weapon at the time of the purchase. (Self-defense did not count).
    • See point above regarding the # of guns in circulation the US. Given that staggering figure, not to mention the 2nd amendment, it would be politically impossible to decline "self defense" as a legitimate reason to own a firearm.
  • The lead of the Australian gun reforms had this to say about the prospects of something similar happening in the US:
    • "So deeply embedded is the gun culture of the US, that millions of law-abiding, Americans truly believe that it is safer to own a gun, based on the chilling logic that because there are so many guns in circulation, one's own weapon is needed for self-protection. To put it another way, the situation is so far gone there can be no turning back."
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