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Old 12-25-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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Because you don't have the right to take the life of another because of your beliefs any more than anyone else has the right to take yours because of their beliefs. Your rights stop where the rights of the next person begin. None of us should have the right to take another life unless it is in self defense.

Pregnancy is a temporary condition. All you have to do is wait 9 months. If a human life is not worth 9 months of inconvenience, what is it worth?

pregnancy is more than a "temporary condition" it is at least an 18 year commitment. there are many reasons why a woman might not want to continue her pregnancy, it is up to her to decide if it is worth it or not.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:42 PM
 
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But it's not her body doing the dying. If she wants to off herself, that's her choice. She's opting to kill another human being not herself. What gives her the right to choose that another human dies? And it's not a choice. When you choose to take the life of another, it's called murder.

it is her body if she doesn't want to grow a baby she doesn't have to, that is what gives her the right. in most cases the baby is a fetus of 8 weeks or so and can not live outside the womb. not murder.

do you think a woman should be forced to give birth?
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Lightbulb About one million abortions every year in usa

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What a fuss the pro "choice" crowd makes if someone even questions whether abortions should be banned or not.
Why is the killing of one million less significant than the killing of twenty children. This is a sick, sick society if we can't even see the illogic in that.

That one million figure is radically low.

It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy.

Miscarriage - PubMed Health

If this all-powerful, all-knowing God the anti-choice crowd claims to support is truly what they claim he is, then they have to know that he's the biggest abortionist in the universe.
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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That one million figure is radically low.

It is estimated that up to half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. Among those women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is about 15-20%. Most miscarriages occur during the first 7 weeks of pregnancy.

Miscarriage - PubMed Health

If this all-powerful, all-knowing God the anti-choice crowd claims to support is truly what they claim he is, then they have to know that he's the biggest abortionist in the universe.
But God's allowed to do that, therefore they don't care about those millions.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:15 PM
 
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Clearly, if there were an all knowing god who was against abortion he would not start children in woman who would have one. Clearly, this is not such a big issue to god.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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What a fuss the pro "choice" crowd makes if someone even questions whether abortions should be banned or not.
Why is the killing of one million less significant than the killing of twenty children. This is a sick, sick society if we can't even see the illogic in that.
Society needs to learn that you shouldnt have sex if you arent ready to be a parent, they also need to learn that not ever abortion is had for that reason, some parents realize that their child will not make it in this world because of what ever disease or birth defect and decide to terminate the pregnancy instead of watching their child die after birth.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: California
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Society needs to learn that you shouldnt have sex if you arent ready to be a parent, they also need to learn that not ever abortion is had for that reason, some parents realize that their child will not make it in this world because of what ever disease or birth defect and decide to terminate the pregnancy instead of watching their child die after birth.
Society will never learn not to have sex unless you physically or chemically castrate everyone. We need to start with that FACT and move on from there. Everything else you say is right.
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Old 12-25-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Society needs to learn that you shouldnt have sex if you arent ready to be a parent, they also need to learn that not ever abortion is had for that reason, some parents realize that their child will not make it in this world because of what ever disease or birth defect and decide to terminate the pregnancy instead of watching their child die after birth.
Oh boy, are YOU in the dark ages! I think YOU must learn to adjust to today's society. That just ain't gonna happen. That comment is actually funny. I can't believe that you're serious.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Because you don't have the right to take the life of another because of your beliefs any more than anyone else has the right to take yours because of their beliefs. Your rights stop where the rights of the next person begin. None of us should have the right to take another life unless it is in self defense.

Pregnancy is a temporary condition. All you have to do is wait 9 months. If a human life is not worth 9 months of inconvenience, what is it worth?
Carrying a pregnancy is hardly an "inconvenience".

Pregnancy permanently alters a woman's body, is expensive {lost wages, medical care, possible job loss} and can quite literally kill her.

It is not up to you if a woman wants to subject herself to pregnancy.....the only medical decisions you get to make are those concerning YOUR body.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Society will never learn not to have sex unless you physically or chemically castrate everyone. We need to start with that FACT and move on from there. Everything else you say is right.
I disagree, i think society can learn that, or at the least, learn to use protection. I personal belief is that we have tried to teach our girls to be little angels while telling our sons to be dogs encouraging them to have sex at a young age. thats like having 2 dogs that fight every time they see them but then chaining one up and letting the other one run free as if that solved the problem.

I believe we can change that in our society. It may be tough, but i rather us try than not. Before Abortion was illegal, we saw both mother and child die in back alleys. We dont need to go back to that time. We need to educate and hold our sons to a higher standard than we do now. again,this is my person opinion based on how i have seen some fathers and even mothers parent their children differently.
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