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Old 12-27-2012, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by zombieApocExtraordinaire View Post
It has nothing to do with the fact people are breaking the laws, though guidelines should be clearer and punishments stricter.

It has to do when late term abortion is defined. I want to see it brought forward to 15 weeks to prevent viable infants from being aborted.
How is that any different than narrowing the definition of the types of guns individuals are allowed to own to reduce the amount of people killed per "incident".

You want to tighten the restrictions on abortion to save lives.....others want to tighten the restrictions on gun ownership to save lives.

How can you be for one and against the other?
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:22 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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How is that any different than narrowing the definition of the types of guns individuals are allowed to own to reduce the amount of people killed per "incident".

You want to tighten the restrictions on abortion to save lives.....others want to tighten the restrictions on gun ownership to save lives.

How can you be for one and against the other?
It's simple really. An abortion always kills the fetus. We can't get around the killing, so we need to determine when the fetus is viable to prevent us from aborting a viable baby. Gun ownership doesn't necessarily kill anyone.

To recap: Abortion necessarily kills the fetus. So we need to determine if the fetus is an extension of the mother and not viable.

Gun ownership does not necessarily kill anyone. Easy enough?
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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It's simple really. An abortion always kills the fetus. We can't get around the killing, so we need to determine when the fetus is viable to prevent us from aborting a viable baby. Gun ownership doesn't necessarily kill anyone.

To recap: Abortion necessarily kills the fetus. So we need to determine if the fetus is an extension of the mother and not viable.

Gun ownership does not necessarily kill anyone. Easy enough?
Wasting sperm also kills fetuses. (feti?)

Since you're so pro life maybe we can mail ours to you?
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:58 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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It's simple really. An abortion always kills the fetus. We can't get around the killing, so we need to determine when the fetus is viable to prevent us from aborting a viable baby. Gun ownership doesn't necessarily kill anyone.

To recap: Abortion necessarily kills the fetus. So we need to determine if the fetus is an extension of the mother and not viable.

Gun ownership does not necessarily kill anyone. Easy enough?
It's really hard to listen to an abortion argument from someone who posted that he would sell his gun to a 6 year old if the child had the cash.

Really hard.

And the United States Supreme Court has outlined viability for you in Roe v. Wade.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:08 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Wasting sperm also kills fetuses. (feti?)

Since you're so pro life maybe we can mail ours to you?
Wasting sperm does not kill fetuses as they never existed to begin with.

Let me guess, you think you're a pretty clever fellow
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:12 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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And the United States Supreme Court has outlined viability for you in Roe v. Wade.
Viability is not determined by the supreme court. It's determined by nature, and we have seen babies become viable at the 20-21 week mark. So mistakes need to be corrected.

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:14 PM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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Viability is not determined by the supreme court. It's determined by nature, and we have seen babies become viable at the 20-21 week mark. So mistakes need to be corrected.


And, viability has been determined by the United States Supreme Court. See Roe v. Wade.

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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Wasting sperm does not kill fetuses as they never existed to begin with.
Sperm and egg are potential babies, just as a fetus is a potential baby. That's why the Catholic church is still against birth control, isn't it?

Oh, my goodness, where will this end?
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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And, viability has been determined by the United States Supreme Court. See Roe v. Wade.
Viability cannot be determined by a law. That's stupid. Are you going to say to that 20-21 week baby that he was not viable because of some court ruling?

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:19 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Sperm and egg are potential babies, just as a fetus is a potential baby. That's why the Catholic church is still against birth control, isn't it?

Oh, my goodness, where will this end?
A sperm is not a potential fetus. An egg combined with a sperm is a potential fetus.

There is no clear line between a fetus and a baby. There is never an instant when a fetus becomes a baby. But there is an instant a fetus comes into play and that's when the sperm fertilizes the egg.
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