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Old 12-18-2012, 04:37 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What does the term 'Arms' mean to you in the phrase 'Right To Bear 'Arms''?
Well, the problem is that most liberals have no clue what the Constitution says. They never read it. They would rather be rid of it. That's why they support Obama.

Liberals think the Constitution is antiquated, meaningless in "todays world" and therefore has no practical application. They are socialists. They cannot think for themselves. In fact, they cannot think at all. Basically, they are very stupid people. They are lackeys.

 
Old 12-18-2012, 04:52 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So you are suggesting that the founding fathers were referencing automated weapons? Oh yes. That seems entirely likely.
The second amedment deals with the right to bear arms. Period. It made no argument for any particular weapon (You don't know this? Have you even read the Second Amendment?) It says, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The fundamental premise is that a person has a natural right to self-defense, without which there can be no liberty.

The kinds of weapons is irrelevant.

But this argument obfuscates the real problem, which is crime, and specifically the crime of murder. Guns are not the problem.

Will disarming the citizens at large solve the problem of murder? Certainly not! People with intent to kill will obtain guns. Unarmed citizens will be left defenseless. Is that morally right? What kind of solution is that?

Had either of the two courageous women who attempted to take this kid down, and giving their own lives in the process, had ready access to a gun, they may have saved many lives, including their own. But, they were defenseless!
 
Old 12-18-2012, 04:54 PM
 
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The real threat that sovereign law abiding U.S. citizens are facing right now is the liberal media.
Oy.

Seek therapy, friend. Paranoia is difficult to cure, but it is treatable.
 
Old 12-18-2012, 04:57 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


(We are the people)


Infringe
1. Actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.): "infringe a copyright".
2. Act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on: "infringe on his privacy".


There you go.
Exactly, and courts of law have already written in regards to original intent, that "the people" refers to "individual citizens."
 
Old 12-18-2012, 05:00 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Isn't your right already limited? Are you legally allowed to own any type of firearm available?
According to the Constitution, yes. Because there are no qualifiers stated.
 
Old 12-18-2012, 05:28 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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According to the Constitution, yes. Because there are no qualifiers stated.
OK, so since the government has nuclear weapons, shouldn't individual citizens be allowed to have them too so they can defend themselves against tyranny?
 
Old 12-18-2012, 05:39 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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OK, so since the government has nuclear weapons, shouldn't individual citizens be allowed to have them too so they can defend themselves against tyranny?
REP + 1 Post of the DAY.....
 
Old 12-18-2012, 05:55 PM
 
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So you are suggesting that the founding fathers were referencing automated weapons? Oh yes. That seems entirely likely.
Why would any of us expect any of you to know about NFA 1934 and May 19th 1986? .

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There will be a law and you will follow it - or face the consequences. You are free to make that choice.
I work with a Police Department...does it look like I care?

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In a civilized society, we can hope and pray.
Pray the evil spawn ODs on hard drugs and dies of AIDS.

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Well, the problem is that most liberals have no clue what the Constitution says. They never read it. They would rather be rid of it. That's why they support Obama.

Liberals think the Constitution is antiquated, meaningless in "todays world" and therefore has no practical application. They are socialists. They cannot think for themselves. In fact, they cannot think at all. Basically, they are very stupid people. They are lackeys.
You know it bro!


James Brown - Living In America - YouTube
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Regulating who is allowed on the school campus may help.
What a joke! Do you not think the Columbine shooters should have been on campus? They were students there! This guy Lanza broke in, in other words, he entered illegally.
 
Old 12-18-2012, 06:27 PM
 
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The real threat that sovereign law abiding U.S. citizens are facing right now is the liberal media. They are establishing a narrative on behest of the president and his political cohorts to saturate the masses with disinformation that will garner support in subverting the Constitution, namely the 2nd Amendment, a major national security blanket for the United States. The media is telling you that guns are the heart of the problem ....................they are not. Guns have not caused these tragic shootings that America has been experiencing the last 20 years. The NRA is not to blame either. What really is to blame is a radical flawed ideology called liberalism. The media has embrace it and will stop at nothing until the goal of transforming America into a progressivism state of mind. They are the main assault weapon that you, the American citizen faces. I want you to pay attention to just 6 reasons released last month why assault weapons should not be banned. If you are blessed with good ole common sense, you should be able to agree with these logical reasons.





Chuck Woolery on Assault Weapons - YouTube
"Good ole common sense," eh? lol!

That was a corker.
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