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Old 12-18-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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I think it is.
Gentrification isn't race specific. There's been gentrification in plenty of places of neighborhoods that were pretty much all white residents. In Portland there's places like inner SE Portland that have historically always been overwhelmingly white, yet have been transformed through gentrification. There are rural towns that have changed through gentrification when wealthier transplants moved in.

Gentrification simply refers to when you have a neighborhood primarily occupied by renters with less money being displaced by outsiders with higher incomes who are purchasing homes or condominiums for higher prices. The newer commercial establishments (bars, restaurants, markets) are usually to appeal to this newer class of homeowners (or often tourists or people from the suburbs) and not the original neighborhood residents.

If anything gentrification was sort of an inevitable result of cities (or dying small towns) looking for ways to replace weak tax bases and local economies often left unstable from the previous historic loss of wealthier residents or industries. Sometimes these areas lost their economic base after the white flight of the 1950s-1980s, but not always--some cities just lost residents to the suburbs regardless of race.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Miami
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Good for you.
Lol THAT was randomnly rude...

but anyways, i think its doing the opposite of what you want it to do, its not blantantly saying "when we push black people out, because, as others have pointed out, it doesnt neccessarily mean black people, but rather a class of poor people. Unfortunately, when you start building banks and high rises and taking away the liqour stores and whatever else, the end result ends up being the pushing out of Black people. I lived in the NW area of DC and watched it happen right before my eyes.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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So gentrification is BAD, because it "pushes poor people out".... but neighborhoods turning WORSE and pushing out middle class or professional people when poorer people is.... GOOD?


I live in a gentrified neighborhood.... only it WASN'T always gentrified. It was ORIGINALLY a tidy, middle class/professional class neighborhood that DECLINED, and then was restored starting about 15 years or so ago.

And, I might add, the "fixing up" of the neighborhood had nothing to do with the presence of black people. Some older folk did get pushed out, but mostly it's been the estates of older folks selling off for MUCH higher than they would have gotten had the neighborhood not gentrified.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:43 PM
 
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Gentrification isn't race specific. There's been gentrification in plenty of places of neighborhoods that were pretty much all white residents. In Portland there's places like inner SE Portland that have historically always been overwhelmingly white, yet have been transformed through gentrification. There are rural towns that have changed through gentrification when wealthier transplants moved in.

Gentrification simply refers to when you have a neighborhood primarily occupied by renters with less money being displaced by outsiders with higher incomes who are purchasing homes or condominiums for higher prices. The newer commercial establishments (bars, restaurants, markets) are usually to appeal to this newer class of homeowners (or often tourists or people from the suburbs) and not the original neighborhood residents.

If anything gentrification was sort of an inevitable result of cities (or dying small towns) looking for ways to replace weak tax bases and local economies often left unstable from the previous historic loss of wealthier residents or industries. Sometimes these areas lost their economic base after the white flight of the 1950s-1980s, but not always--some cities just lost residents to the suburbs regardless of race.
Your response, although well written does nit fit into a race baiters frame of mind. You will be dismised as a kumbaya liberal
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Lol THAT was randomnly rude...
GIGO. The guy lobs a grenade into the forum with no attempt at an actual discussion and somehow I'm obligated to come up with a thoughtful response? Nah... don't think so.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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GIGO. The guy lobs a grenade into the forum with no attempt at an actual discussion and somehow I'm obligated to come up with a thoughtful response? Nah... don't think so.

So what gentrified neighborhood in Chicago do you live in that chased out minorities?
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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So what gentrified neighborhood in Chicago do you live in that chased out minorities?
Assume much?
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I think of gentrification as the rehabbing of former ghetto housing by those who are upwardly mobile, but not enough to afford the existing upscale housing in the area. This is a very healthy thing for a city.

Here in Savannah, it could not be more evident. The high cost of property in the Historic District has caused folks to push outward and buy up run down properties in very sketchy areas. Here, you can literally pay a million dollars on one block, and $100,000 on the next. You can have an upscale Bed and Breakfast on one corner, and a drug deal on the next corner.

Admittedly, this is tending force the mostly black poor out, but it is not just whites coming in.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:52 PM
 
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I think of gentrification as the rehabbing of former ghetto housing by those who are upwardly mobile, but not enough to afford the existing upscale housing in the area. This is a very healthy thing for a city.

Here in Savannah, it could not be more evident. The high cost of property in the Historic District has caused folks to push outward and buy up run down properties in very sketchy areas. Here, you can literally pay a million dollars on one block, and $100,000 on the next. You can have an upscale Bed and Breakfast on one corner, and a drug deal on the next corner.

Admittedly, this is tending force the mostly black poor out, but it is not just whites coming in.
I was just in Savannah and I saw a dramatic increase in blight from 8 years ago. I saw boarded up buildings in downtown!!! It was actually heart breaking because Savanah is a beautiful city, the homes look like dollhouses. I hope it comes back.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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When I think of gentrification I think of higher income people displacing lower income people, regardless of race. You on the other hand thnk of race, yet you accuse others of being obsessed with race.

Even though I have told you that it's not about race but class, you insist that it's about race. Who is really the one obsessed with race???
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