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Old 12-19-2012, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The parts are interchangable and are missiong only one part and a modification to another 5. Its the same gun minus the full auto and semi auto is more deadly than full auto in that a shooter can adjust fire inbetween trigger pulls.
Very true, but that's the difference between the automatic and a semi-automatic version of the two similar arms. "Military grade" full auto is a meaningless term.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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IMHO - We have a people problem not a gun problem. The problem people are criminals or the homicidally insane. There is no way any laws are going to keep these people from obtaining and using guns for their own illegal or insane actions. Many rational and thoughtfull people cannot allow themselves to realize that there is random violence that is not predictable because it contradicts their rational universe.

The people that propose more and more restrictions because they know they would obey the new rules. They cannot understand that there are people that do not obey and rules at all. They deny the existence of the lawless because to recognize that there is a danger out there that they may have to face on their own frightens them literally silly. They think that banning certain guns will prevent some thug from walking into a classroom or an alley with a baseball bat and start cracking skulls. Massacres do not require guns. They only need a murderous perpetrator.

Limiting guns, magazine capacities and calibers is just a misdirected feel good measure. None of these proposals will make anyone any safer. They will just make the law abiding control freaks feel safer while putting the rest of us realists at greater risk from the criminals and the crazies.
What you say seems very reasoned and rational, and frankly, that's a combination that's solely lacking on both sides of this issue.

Yes, without a doubt we have a people problem. This country needs to do a much better job of identifying and helping those suffering from a variety of mental illnesses. We don't know the full scope of the people problem, as many people seem to function at an acceptable level most of the time, and simply fly under the radar.

But we have a gun problem as well. Just as with the unknown number of mentally disturbed people in this country, does anyone know how many guns are out there? A bunch of crazy people and a bunch of easily-obtained guns is a recipe for massacres like Newtown.

For the period from Nov. 1998 through Nov. 2012, the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) reported a total of 157,690,937 background checks. Obviously, not every background check resulted in the sale of a gun, but it's equally obvious that a single background check can be made for an individual buying more than one gun.

To me, that's an insane number. And the trend is getting worse. The number of background checks in Nov. 1998 was 21,196; for Nov. 2012 it was 2,006,919!!!

If we take our national problem in identifying and treating those with serious mental problems, and couple it with what I see as our national problem of WAY too many guns for the perfectly legitimate purposes of hunting, personal protection, and collecting, we end up with a situation that is - pardon the pun - a powder keg. If "A" (mentally disturbed people) + "B" (plentiful guns) = "C" (school kids massacred), I think that both "A" and "B" need to be addressed.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:09 PM
 
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As I listen to Obama speak, he used the term "Weapons of War" as if Americans have access to military-grade weapons. WE DO NOT AND NEVER HAVE! Feinstein and the liberal gun-haters actually used the term "machine guns" as if Americans own or have access to full-auto weapons. They are being untruthful in their quest. It's another knee-jerk reaction, just like the creation of HS after 911, and the TSA after the underwear bomber.

What a load of garbage.

Playing on these tragedies and using singular incidents of gun crime, like a drive by in Topeka yesterday, is ridiculous.

As if banning guns will stop gang violence, as if banning guns will keep criminals from getting them.

Misguided politicians deciding to punish law-abiding citizens for the actions of a few wackos. It is incredible.
on CD, the new pet phrases of the hoplophobes are 'gun fondlers' and 'gun nuts.'

and they've begun referring to firearms as 'death machines'
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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Ever hear of "sport".
Yep, that's the problem, all right.

20 babies died in defense of your sport.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:12 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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I agree. This is an insidious ploy to evoke the UN demands for disarming the American citizenry.

We are witnessing the demise of the Constitution. Soon it will be nothing more than a historical document that once guided a nation, but no longer applies.
Booga booga.

The crazy is getting hip-deep in here.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:13 PM
 
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Yep, that's the problem, all right.

20 babies died in defense of your sport.
I just bought 4 more 30-round magazines. I'll be sure to let you know how many people I kill with them.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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on CD, the new pet phrases of the hoplophobes are 'gun fondlers' and 'gun nuts.'

and they've begun referring to firearms as 'death machines'
Once they've finished with firearms, they'll go after knives, swords, and bows.

After all, these are all "death machines" as well.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:15 PM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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on CD, the new pet phrases of the hoplophobes are 'gun fondlers' and 'gun nuts.'

and they've begun referring to firearms as 'death machines'
Because, of course, they're made for something else entirely. Growing daisies or something.

Seriously, do you have anything to say that would convince me guns are NOT produced with the intention of killing something? Even the Founding Fathers knew that. They purposely wrote the 2nd Amendment to allow people to protect themselves against OTHER PEOPLE. For you to now try to pretend that guns are something benign and fun is simply sick.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by steven_h
I agree. This is an insidious ploy to evoke the UN demands for disarming the American citizenry.

We are witnessing the demise of the Constitution. Soon it will be nothing more than a historical document that once guided a nation, but no longer applies.



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Booga booga.

The crazy is getting hip-deep in here.
It's crazy not to be aware, or to be intentionally ignorant. When a right is diluted or taken away, you will never get it back. The UN IS TRYING TO DISARM every country, including the US.

United States Times Weekly: U.S. Constitution vs the UN

People should read this comparison of the Constitution to the United Nations Charter. It isn't rocket science to see what the intention of each documents is.

I'd prefer to keep the Constitution, thanks. I think this position is completely rational.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:32 PM
 
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Ronald Reagan supported the assault weapons ban.

Reading the shrill, hysterical, bug-eyed nonsense from teabagger loons just proves that conservatism is a deep mental affliction.
Not wanting to ban semi automatic rifles "proves" that conservatism is a deep mental affliction?

When you say things like that you sound so absolutely ridiculous that you actually hurt your cause, do you know that?
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