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Old 12-19-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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Because ALL historical gun legislation was the result of similar tragedies. Look it up.
Yep. The last assault weapon ban was enacted in 1994, partly because of the Gian Luigi Ferri '93 shooting
in SF at a law firm, but mostly after the Waco TX seige in 1993 (which is a whole other subject matter).

Then, the Columbine shootings happened in 1999 (under the ban)
The teenage shooters just bought their weapons illegally for cash.

The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act provided for 100,000 new police officers,
$9.7 billion in funding for prisons and $6.1 billion in funding for prevention programs.

They will just copy and paste the above '94 bill and Congress will act like they
are doing "something", but it won't change a damn thing.

You know why? Society won't change, nor will the crazies.
That is why writing Congressional legislation isn't the answer.
Arm these schools with a defense; armed guards.
Parents - boycott violence in movies, music, and videos.

America, think about ending the war on drugs - it causes more gun crime/
violence than you will ever know.

Final food for thought, America might just try not glamorizing being
in perpetual war - our kids are watching.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:14 PM
 
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Because ALL historical gun legislation was the result of similar tragedies. Look it up.
No...taking advantage of the deaths of 20 children to push a Socialist movement is more like it.

You all make me want to puke my guts out.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:19 PM
 
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Unlike 100 years ago, today you need:
You need training and a permit to conceal carry...
You need a background check...
You need a waiting period (that was in fact INCREASED later)...
You are now restricted from using armor-piercing ammo...
You now need a trigger lock on all new guns...
You need to get your gun in person (no more mail order guns over state lines)
You need to own semi-autos, no more automatic weapons.
I live in AZ. I am not a gun expert, but I am positive 1-3 are wrong, in my state at least.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:23 PM
 
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I live in AZ. I am not a gun expert, but I am positive 1-3 are wrong, in my state at least.
They vary State by State.



We can own post May 19th 1986 NFA Class III weapons here too with a $200 tax stamp and BATF Form 4.

We don't need trigger locks and don't need a class before getting a CCW.

All the others are pretty accurate for my State.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:25 PM
 
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Only FFLs may ship firearms as well.

You can only send back to the manufacter for repairs.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:34 PM
 
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What I've found after 50 years of collecting is that guns always fly off the shelves whenever there is a new ban coming. Or a democrat get's elected president. Nothing new and not the big earth shattering, revolutionary situation some fear mongering fanatics would have you believe.
Yes when Clinton was president and was going to impose the gun regulations gun sales went up but nothing like since obama has been in office ever!
Obama has anti gun enthusiasts in his circle and he himself are anti gun.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Not accurate, the Newton shooter wasn't a licensed gun owner, neither was the Columbine shooter. Tougher penalties for distributing guns could have avoided columbine, a gun locker or rather penalties for not having one could have avoided Newton. What is wrong with making it harder to buy weapons, shouldn't it be hard to buy something that could end a person's life in a split second. Harsh penalties would deter street crime not mass shootings, but we should try to stop all gun violence not just mass shootings.
Look, the Newton shooter took his mothers guns. His mother was a licensed gun owner. Even if the guns had been locked up by his mother. He still would have killed her and took her guns. She even taught her son how to shoot. The only way to have avoided Newtown, would have been if you could have prevented his mother from having the guns in the first place.


If we go to Jared Lee Loughner, who shot Gabby Giffords. He also purchased his gun legally, passed a background check. Your laws would have had zero effect on him as well. The Aurora movie theater, the shooter bought the gun legally, passed a background check. Your laws would have had zero effect on that shooting. The Sikh shootings, gun was purchased legally. The Ft. Hood shootings, were performed by a man in the military, who was issued a gun by the US government.

With as much planning as went into Columbine, it is highly unlikely that tougher gun laws would have prevented those shootings. They even made bombs well in advance.


You are simply delusional if you think the proposals you made would have stopped any of these shootings.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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We have fought a drug war that only a prison-for-profit system is winning......

To enforce the black market drug trade, gang affiliated warlords seek guns through rogue measures. Federally licensed gun runners supply this market to the tune of 60%. The ATF has narrowed it down to 1.2% of all FFL holders.

The war on drugs began in 1982....30 years later the government claims intervention is needed for a crisis they were blatantly complicit in.

Even if they confiscated every single firearm from civilians in this country....and Liberals got their way. How can you ignore the price the federal government charged you for that stipend??
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:43 PM
 
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I don't know how anyone can look at this temporary bump which is obviously based on sensationalism over one incident and turn it into some type of gun control revolution.
One incident.
Even you can't believe that.
There have been 3 in the past week.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:49 PM
 
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One incident.
Even you can't believe that.
There have been 3 in the past week.



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