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Old 12-19-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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Yes, there are regulations in arms ownership, but not to the degree to which car ownership abides by. You can't own a car without registering it. Guns , on the other hand, could be purchased at gun shows without anybody being accounted for it.



We all know violent crimes are down and that the 2nd amendment is well regarded (although outdated), but there still needs to be some sort of gun reform. Gun crimes need to be curtailed as much as possible.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:25 PM
 
Location: 9851 Meadowglen Lane, Apt 42, Houston Texas
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Yes, there are regulations in arms ownership, but not to the degree to which car ownership abides by. You can't own a car without registering it. Guns , on the other hand, could be purchased at gun shows without anybody being accounted for it.



We all know violent crimes are down and that the 2nd amendment is well regarded (although outdated), but there still needs to be some sort of gun reform. Gun crimes need to be curtailed as much as possible.
There are really no regulations on cars if purchased and used on private property. You don't need a license to drive in your backyard, nor do you have to be 16. Guns should be the same way, absolutely no regulations on private property including purchase. And on public, very minor licenses available to everyone who wants to take 1 or 2 classes.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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There are really no regulations on cars if purchased and used on private property. You don't need a license to drive in your backyard, nor do you have to be 16. Guns should be the same way, absolutely no regulations on private property including purchase. And on public, very minor licenses available to everyone who wants to take 1 or 2 classes.
You can actually get a ticket for having a car in your driveway that has no license plate.

Let me ask you this. What could be done to stop black on black violence from a policy perspective?
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:35 PM
 
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Yes, there are regulations in arms ownership, but not to the degree to which car ownership abides by. You can't own a car without registering it. Guns , on the other hand, could be purchased at gun shows without anybody being accounted for it.



We all know violent crimes are down and that the 2nd amendment is well regarded (although outdated), but there still needs to be some sort of gun reform. Gun crimes need to be curtailed as much as possible.
Yes gun crimes, as well as all other crimes, need to be curtailed as much as possible. That doesn't mean guns need to be curtailed.

There seem to be three broad categories of gun violence. Accidental shootings, deranged shootings, and criminal shootings.

I think only the nuttiest of the gun control supports would believe that we should limit accidental shootings by limiting guns. I think it's probably obvious that gun training and education is the solution to these.

Criminals who use guns aren't going to be bothered with guns being illegal, any more than crack addicts care that crack is illegal. Nor are criminals going to be unable to acquire guns.

I think the main thrust of current gun control effort is the crazy shootings. My position on that is that I simultaneously agree that limiting access to guns will lessen the shooting sprees by deranged people and also I do not support limiting access to guns. I consider it a price we pay to live in a free society. I prefer to see leaving the gun laws as they are and instead focus efforts on improving mental health treatment, awareness, and availability.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:39 PM
 
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There are really no regulations on cars if purchased and used on private property. You don't need a license to drive in your backyard, nor do you have to be 16. Guns should be the same way, absolutely no regulations on private property including purchase. And on public, very minor licenses available to everyone who wants to take 1 or 2 classes.
You have to register your car with the state. To drive a car you need a license, which consists of a written test, drivers road test, and an eye test. In addition to this you need insurance. You also need a city sticker in many towns.

So you register with the state, with your town, get a license, and get insurance.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:40 PM
 
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Yes gun crimes, as well as all other crimes, need to be curtailed as much as possible. That doesn't mean guns need to be curtailed.

There seem to be three broad categories of gun violence. Accidental shootings, deranged shootings, and criminal shootings.

I think only the nuttiest of the gun control supports would believe that we should limit accidental shootings by limiting guns. I think it's probably obvious that gun training and education is the solution to these.

Criminals who use guns aren't going to be bothered with guns being illegal, any more than crack addicts care that crack is illegal. Nor are criminals going to be unable to acquire guns.

I think the main thrust of current gun control effort is the crazy shootings. My position on that is that I simultaneously agree that limiting access to guns will lessen the shooting sprees by deranged people and also I do not support limiting access to guns. I consider it a price we pay to live in a free society. I prefer to see leaving the gun laws as they are and instead focus efforts on improving mental health treatment, awareness, and availability.
How about prohibiting gun show loopholes? The federal government could enact legislation that penalizes gun vendors with strict jail time. In this, we could be less concerned about guns getting into the hands of criminals.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:00 AM
 
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Yes, there are regulations in arms ownership, but not to the degree to which car ownership abides by. You can't own a car without registering it. Guns , on the other hand, could be purchased at gun shows without anybody being accounted for it.



We all know violent crimes are down and that the 2nd amendment is well regarded (although outdated), but there still needs to be some sort of gun reform. Gun crimes need to be curtailed as much as possible.


really? you dont know much about cars at all. if you drive a car on private property, you dont need to license it, no registering or insurance needed either. in fact you dont even need to be age 16 or older to buy it. you could be 8 and buy a car and have it towned to your property to drive it on your land with no government interference at all.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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You can operate a car with no restrictions and no license on private property.

You don't have "no car" neighborhoods.

You do not have to have a federal background check when you buy a new car.

You don't get fingerprinted and your background researched by the FBI when getting a driver's license.

You can get a car of any horsepower you can afford. No ATF signoff, $200 fee, signoff by your local police chief.

You can buy a car at any age, unlike a firearm.

It isn't a federal felony to have a spare spark plug or gas cap for your car.

You don't loose your right to own a car if arrested.

You don't pay a $200 fee and wait 6 months for federal permission to put a muffler on your car.

You can buy cars across state lines, unlike handguns.

Your driver's license is accepted in every state, unlike your CCW permit.

So sure, lets treat guns like cars. Makes life a lot simpler for gun owners.



If you want to do one simple thing to reduce crime, enforce the full faith and credit clause of the commerce clause and require all states to recognize each other's concealed carry licenses.
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:08 AM
 
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There is no age limit for buying a car.

You can operate a car with no restrictions and no license on private property.

You don't have "no car" neighborhoods.

You do not have to have a background check when you buy a new car.

You don't get fingerprinted and your background researched by the FBI when getting a driver's license.

You can get a car of any horsepower you can afford. No ATF signoff, $200 fee, signoff by your local police chief.

You can buy a car at any age, unlike a firearm.

You can buy cars across state lines, unlike handguns.

Your driver's license is accepted in every state, unlike your CCW permit.

So sure, lets treat guns like cars. Makes life a lot simpler for gun owners.

heck, with those kind of rules, i would own another 300 firearms
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Old 02-07-2013, 12:14 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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How about prohibiting gun show loopholes? The federal government could enact legislation that penalizes gun vendors with strict jail time. In this, we could be less concerned about guns getting into the hands of criminals.
Exactly what would that do? If a gangbanger has a stolen handgun, do you honestly think he's going to take his gangbanger buddy with him to a local gun shop and have a background check done when he sells it to him? Or if a gang has someone buy guns through a legal dealer, do you think he's then going to get his buddy to go to a shop for a background check when he sells it? It's already a federal felony to buy a gun for someone unable to legally posses one. Enforce the current laws.
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