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There is still physical access to the weapon. My son sent me a video a couple years ago - they showed how to pop 90% of the trigger locks in about a minute.
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There is still physical access to the weapon. My son sent me a video a couple years ago - they showed how to pop 90% of the trigger locks in about a minute.
Most of them are rather cheap. But, there are very good ones that can't be popped without destroying the trigger itself. They are on the more expensive side though. Just like a good safe. The cheaper ones can be broken into (if you can haul it away or destroy it on site). But the good ones will never be opened without the use of dynamite (or if you are one of those master safe-crackers).
Actually, it was a man using a non-military semi-automatic rifle (AR-15) to shoot bullets that killed the people, including his mother. . . and I do not think he had his mother's permission to kill her.
And the situation is not ever worsening, if you bother to read the stats on "mass attacks" - which appear to be not accelerating. Nor did they decline during the previous ten year AWB.
As to "Arming the teachers", it seems to do well for Israeli teachers. Are they impractical and idiotic?
If you can show how a practical way to prevent mentally ill people from doing harm, perhaps you might not be so cavalier with your insults.
And if only government is "allowed" to have "scary" guns, you will be safer how? The government can't protect everyone. You cannot sue the government for failure to protect.
Frankly, how would more limits on gun ownership have prevented the attack? The mother bought them legally, and complied with all the regulations.
A criminal who disregards the law will acquire weapons, regardless. The only ones who benefit from a disarmed public are the predators who prey on them.
If all adults at the school had been trained and had access to firearms, would that armed man-child have succeeded in his plans?
I doubt it.
But let's face the unspoken issue - fear of guns. Those who are afraid of guns think that by banning them, they will be safe. Of course, when stronger bullies and thugs don't have to fear you having guns, they won't fear attacking you.
The logical resolution would be for universal training in the responsible use of firearms, starting from childhood. Those who do not fear guns will not be so easily goaded into surrendering them, in the false hope of safety and security. For a disarmed populace is never safe nor secure.
A society that is intolerant of predators will be "civilized."
Tolerance of predators is unmerciful to their next victim.
Disarming a society is uncivilized, and a dangerous grant of power to the predators.
No one needs an assault rifle - or any weapon - until under assault.
Then one needs and WANTS as much firepower as one can muster.
Guns do not prey on people - PREDATORS prey on people.
Disarming people, even incrementally, only benefits the PREDATORS who hate it when the victim can shoot back.
The US Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges.
Politicians defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
a folding or telescoping stock
a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
a bayonet mount
a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
a grenade launcher
The assault weapons ban did not restrict weapons capable of fully automatic fire, such as assault rifles and machine guns, which have been continuously and heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 was passed.
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It is perfectly LEGAL to own assault RIFLES (real military grade) and machine guns as long as you comply with regs and PAY THE TAX.
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In summation, the original AWB was a political stunt to remove "scary" guns without any real military functionality.
Where are people getting the idea that all Israeli teachers are armed? They are not - that's another myth making the rounds around the internet.
And - let's look at Israel's gun control law while we are at it. We definitely could learn a thing or two there.
Most of them are rather cheap. But, there are very good ones that can't be popped without destroying the trigger itself. They are on the more expensive side though. Just like a good safe. The cheaper ones can be broken into (if you can haul it away or destroy it on site). But the good ones will never be opened without the use of dynamite (or if you are one of those master safe-crackers).
Just to be clear, Adam Lanza had complete access to his mother's guns. So in MANY households locks are ineffective.
The answer is to get the guns out of the houses. It worked for England.
Just to be clear, Adam Lanza had complete access to his mother's guns. So in MANY households locks are ineffective.
The answer is to get the guns out of the houses. It worked for England.
England has something like ~14x the per-capita violent crimes vs. the US, along with 6x the per-capita rape/sexual assault statistics. Sure, we could be like them, but why would we want to.
Stop blaming the tool. Would we hold some sort of moral superiority if he came in with a jug of gas and burned them all to death. I'm angry thinking about that guy and what he did, but I hold him responsible not an object.
England has something like ~14x the per-capita violent crimes vs. the US, along with 6x the per-capita rape/sexual assault statistics. Sure, we could be like them, but why would we want to.
Stop blaming the tool. Would we hold some sort of moral superiority if he came in with a jug of gas and burned them all to death. I'm angry thinking about that guy and what he did, but I hold him responsible not an object.
Absolute lie. England's crime gun crime rate is 2% of ours.
Absolute lie. England's crime gun crime rate is 2% of ours.
So have 14x the assaults with a knife is superior then having 1 attack with a gun?! It's not about gun crime. It's about crime period. The focus should never be on the tool used, that's where we differ.
Is it acceptable to you that 20 little children were slaughtered by a military assault rifle that was obtained legally by an unqualified citizen with a mentally unstable child in the house?
So what are your suggestions on how we deal with this ever worsening situation?
1] Have Congress enact Obamaball so that all Americans have access to Crystal Balls. The IRS can redefine part-time as 16 hours per week to increase the number of Americans who have access to Crystal Balls.
2] Allow families to take tax credits for the purchase of Ouija Boards, including the Ouija Board Interest Deduction (for those who purchase their Ouija Boards using their HELOC or a credit card).
3] Distribute decks of Tarot Cards with condoms at schools.
4] Increase funding for the Syringe & Rune Exchange Program -- so that the "injecting drug using community" (I freaking kid you not) can have access to Runes (for Divination) and syringes.
4] Encourage universities to offer Master of Science and Doctorate degree programs in Remote Viewing™.
5] Push Obama to sign the No Psychics Left Behind Act so that we can teach kids ESP and they can tell us when the next shootings will occur and when Global Warming will start (for real).
6] Increase the number of after-school tea leaf and chicken entrails reading programs.
7] Task the CDC with resurrecting the Amazing Kreskin.
I have personally made a number of suggestions, but the anti-gun folks are unyielding and unreasonable, so there is no longer a point in discussing it. You don't want to hear the truth and you don't accept it.. The problem exists not because of gun ownership, but rather the lack of ownership in raising our children properly. They no longer value human life. Until you fix that problem you can ban anything you like and the problem will still exist. You will meerly exhange guns for pipe bombs or more deadly means of death and destruction.
Did it ever occur to you that there are no practical solutions to most things?
Ending poverty, ending drug abuse, ending gun violence.
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