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Old 12-21-2012, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I carry concealed sometimes but not always like others do. My take is that an openly carried weapon is a better deterrent, so I do that when camping - with snake shot in the chamber and first round. But it scares people in stores and church (jk). I understand and respect that. In my state you do not need a permit to carry concealed and no training of any kind. I think that is risky. I am a military combat vet, so know my way around guns and am not going to freak at shooting some punk who is threatening me. I also am not likely to shoot some guy for nothing like that dumbshi* Zimmerman did. To be honest though, in all the years I have been carrying (and there are way too many of them) I have never been close to a situation where I needed it. It's given me comfort knowing I had it from time to time, but it was never necessary to use it.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:40 PM
 
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Is this opinion based on the fact you have 100 hours training? Have you ever trained anyone to shoot a gun? I hope your opinion is based on facts, not feelings with no experience.
Well, I could see it would take more hours for sheep to learn how to use canine teeth.

The average couch potatoe liberal, who never grew up around hunting guns and only played with finger paint for 35 years isn't going to be very adept with fire arms very quickly.

Like all things one must learn to crawl before they can walk, and these grabbers are only at the crawl, beg, and plead part so far. In fact they could us lessons for the begging and pleading, because it sounds like a rash whine.. Finger nails on a chalk board with no finger paint lube
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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How could anyone be against requiring background checks on 100% of gun sales?
I don't know any gun owner that would have any issue with that...
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:44 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I don't know any gun owner that would have any issue with that...

yes you do, you know me.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:48 PM
 
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The police in the UK do NOT carry guns and still keep law and order...... AMAZING HUH.
Murders are lower in the UK than the US, but violent crime is higher. In addition, gun crimes in the UK are grossly unreported because it only "counts" if someone is convicted. Unsolved ones do not show up.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Rural Northern California
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NO ONE has a GOD given right to carry lethal weapons. Not sure about why it is the law of the land..... that is a matter of how the 2nd amendment has been interpreted....... many here believe it was intended to make sure we have a armed militia and the commers were included after the fact to make the amendment seem like it meant that individuals have the right to bear arms. A amendment is exactly that and can be "Amended"..... NO Amendment is absolute and must take into account the times we live in and change to suit that time.
I have lived most of my life wthout any need to carry a weapon.... not sure why anyone needs to in a civilised society........ maybe in Iran, Iraq etc but not in a Country with a "rule of Law" as here.
Our court system disagrees with you, in fact, in Moore v Madigan, a federal court ruled (last week) that the Second Amendment protects (protects, not grants) the right of an individual to carry a loaded firearm in public.

Also, why would the founding fathers have been trying to trick us into thinking the second amendment was an individual right? The Second Amendment is in the Bill of Rights. If you argue that the second amendment does not protect individual rights, it's literally the only amendment in the Bill of Rights that doesn't guard individual liberty. That doesn't make sense.

Also, regarding the Second Amendment, you go ahead and try to change it. Any amendment of the Constitution requires 2/3 of both houses of congress and a 3/4 of the states to vote for it. That's not going to happen.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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IMO, 12hrs of class/range training is not enough to provide someone with the critical thinking skills to properly assess a situation where a firearm may, or may not be, necessary.

IMO, 12hrs of class training is not enough to provide someone with the critical thinking skills to properly assess a situation when voting may, or may not be, necessary.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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I guess you have never heard of carjacking.

"percent of carjacking attempts involved the use of some type of weapon. The Crime of Carjacking Has Increased

This crime has become one of the top in the nation as the number of carjacking incidents have been reported by the Department of Justice at about 49,000 per year. A high number of carjacking attempts (92%) are committed when the person is alone in their car.


Criminal Law: Car Jacking | Lawfirms.com


"WXYZ: A pizza delivery driver with a concealed carry permit used his gun to defend himself after three men tried to rob him."


Home*|*The Armed Citizen

Are you that naive?
Interestingly, car jacking has increased because we have made it so hard to steal a car with a jimmy stick anymore. Electronic locking systems have been very successful. Dealing with criminals is like whack-a-mole.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:16 PM
 
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Some circumstances change people and their Lives. I do have guns for no reason other then protection, of my home, and family.

Having your home broken into twice, and one previous home, it literraly scares the crap out of you.

You feel violated, and humiliated, that a stranger has gone thru every ounce of what you own, and throw it everywhere, leaving his mess behind. Leaving notes, and items of porn. Ain't a pretty site, damn it, it is dang right irritating, that someone violated your belongings.

I have had two realitives murdered in the privacy of their own homes. Yes i am changed, and i do know how to shoot, and legally own a gun. Learned how to shoot, even though i come from a hunting family from the time i was little. Talk about hating something, that was it hunting. Hated hated hated it.

But if your going to own a gun you owe it to yourself, to take gun lessons, and learn the safey of a gun, how to shoot, and how to store and how not to store your gun.

There are many irresponsible gun owners, and that screws it for the ones like myself, who have had guns my whole life, never with one bad intention. Because all people who own guns, do so for protection, hunting, target practice etc.

The only whackos, are those who PULL THE TRIGGER?
Used to be I only hand long guns for hunting and a couple 22 single action revolvers in .22 LR. Then a time where i was into cap locks shooting black powder and once these were learned well I sold the single shot long guns for flint locks.

Time came to my little rural town were not one couple but 2 couples were rape murdered in the national Forest not 10 miles from my home.

By that time i was in the habit of backpacking my son on hikes and x-c skiing. For bear I carried a Ruger single action .44 mag Super Blackhawk.

The day came where on a hike I tripped over 8 thugs and one came out on the trail behind me and said 'That kid will look a lot better with his head smashed on that tree."

I turned to face him and see if he was going to still come at me and made motion to the grips on that gun in it's home made shoulder holster. I watched his eyes follow my hand. I was busy thinking about the 5 bullets in the gun and the 8 of them, knowing I would have to stop all of them with just these 5 rounds.

I felt sick..... Well i did make it out of there with out firing a shot, but the next day i bought a real self defense gun and i still have it now some 30+ plus years later and i have bought more since then.


The grabbers here just pooh pooh that tale........

The grabbers here pooh pooh this tale too. Bad guy comes in the middle of night, same town near the same time as my son was still in a crib...

Great Dane goes nuts wakes my wife of that time who goes spooky begging for her life over my shoulder the dog is nutso just ahead of me, the cops on the phone are telling me they are not my personal body guards and I have a old upland bird shot gun called LC Smith which is a side by side.

Bad guy wacko come and I see a flash of something and I dropped his ass down.. I wasn't prepared for really shooting him so it was a poor hit.

later that night the phone rang again..... Cops wanting to tell me this joker had done time for 6 drug related violent crimes, was wanted for 6 more, plus what he did to me, and also they had to break both his thumbs because he was choking a neighbor ladies infant to death...

These grabbers love bad guy like that.

And again like YOU I lost my father and mother in law Easter 1999 to a real physco who was well know for all his life to torcher snakes, lizards, kittens and puppys to death real slow........

The day before he killed my inlaws stabbing them both to death, and chasing them all over their nice 3 story house thru the gardens and the lawyers office where we found blood in the file cabinets and every where....

This perverted physco had been shot by the cops in the god dammned ankle, and for stealing KNIVES!

Somehow that pervert physco son of gun grabbers made BAIL!

Changed? Me? Your damnned right i am changed..

As I always say to disarm me means you will have to kill me.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:20 PM
 
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I carry concealed sometimes but not always like others do. My take is that an openly carried weapon is a better deterrent, so I do that when camping - with snake shot in the chamber and first round. But it scares people in stores and church (jk). I understand and respect that. In my state you do not need a permit to carry concealed and no training of any kind. I think that is risky. I am a military combat vet, so know my way around guns and am not going to freak at shooting some punk who is threatening me. I also am not likely to shoot some guy for nothing like that dumbshi* Zimmerman did. To be honest though, in all the years I have been carrying (and there are way too many of them) I have never been close to a situation where I needed it. It's given me comfort knowing I had it from time to time, but it was never necessary to use it.
Open carry is legal in NH too, but very few people do that here. When I was in Williams Az lost i would only ask directions from guys who were in open carry. I am a rough looking old buzzard and I knew they would trust their own confidence being armed.

The one time I confused a cowboy about asking directions where things went a little south at first was because i was standing in the parkinglot of the place I was seeking, but didn't know it at the time

After the awkward moment he laughed his ass off at me too.
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