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Old 12-23-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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Why type of person thinks more guns in schools in the answer?

Ultimately - the type of person who hasn't thought it through.

A. The type of person who forgets more security guards in each school ("outside every classroom" as one talk show host put it) = more money paid to security guards = much higher taxes.
B. The type of person who feels forcing guns on teachers/principals and regular citizens who don't want them (hence why they don't already carry them..) isn't a violation of those peoples rights of safety and feeling safe.
C. The type of person who falls victim to the superman mentality, and believes just because you have a gun, means you're not going to fall victim to nerves, lose courage, or otherwise become be completely ineffective once the bullets actually begin flying..
D. The type of person who doesn't realize columbine had armed security guards - and were completely ineffective.


I mean, what's going on here? Are these irrational arguments really coming from rational adults?

One person put it - "The only thing that's going to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun" - Are you serious? Wouldn't getting rid of guns more effectively solve this statement, rather than escalation and putting MORE guys (both good and bad) with guns, out there?

I've been going nuts over the past few days listening to talk radio, and hearing how everything else is the problem (ie, the US isn't religious enough, "crazy" people need to be committed and monitored better, violent video games are the problem, etc etc etc) - That's all erroneous, based on ignorance (particularly the mental health aspect), and speculation. You know what's not solely speculation? That guns were used to murder too many people in the USA over the past few decades..

I really wish the pro-gun people would realize it's not owning high powered weapons that makes them men - it's sucking it up when you have to, and doing what's best for everyone else, when you completely don't want to.

This is one of those times guys...

Edit -

Listening now to one elected official saying we need:

A. Armed retired police/military members/teachers who volunteer to offer to stand atleast 2 days a week at schools.
B. Multiple black and white video cameras throughout schools, with each teacher having a panic button tied to "modern day smart phones" , in case something happens..

Seriously!?!!

Rather than thinking of how to PREVENT shootings all together, people are stomping their feet in the ground, hunkering down, and taking for granted that another shooting will occur - we just have to think of better ways to counter it.

Wouldn't getting guns out of the hands of people who have no reason to own them, be the more effective counter?

Then the progun host ends enthusiastically with "Yeah, you're right, we need to do something to protect these babies.."

Apparently "protecting those babies" isn't as important as his ability to go home and shoot..

Kind of sickening...

EDIT EDIT -

Now one host is chiding the president asking why he sends his kids to school with armed security guards, if he didn't believe in guns. Are you KIDDING!?!!!

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Old 12-23-2012, 10:31 PM
 
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An admirable effort. Just don't hold your breath.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:32 PM
 
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I rather suspect the reason the NRA made the proposal is so people would talk about armed guards in schools (even if merely to scoff at it) rather than gun bans.

That said, putting armed guards in all the schools is an idea that's not as bad as banning guns. It's still a bad idea, mind you, it's just better than trying to make the world safe by insisting no one has anything that would be inappropriate in the hands of a homicidal maniac.

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I really wish the pro-gun people would realize it's not owning high powered weapons that makes them men - it's sucking it up when you have to, and doing what's best for everyone else, when you completely don't want to.
No, we're not going to surrender our rights just because you or anyone else says to "suck it up". Seriously, do you really expect that?
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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Physical Security is the answer. Lock the public schools down even if you have to surround them with barbed wire fencing.

Thats the answer.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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I rather suspect the reason the NRA made the proposal is so people would talk about armed guards in schools (even if merely to scoff at it) rather than gun bans.

That said, putting armed guards in all the schools is an idea that's not as bad as banning guns. It's still a bad idea, mind you, it's just better than trying to make the world safe by insisting no one has anything that would be inappropriate in the hands of a homicidal maniac.


No, we're not going to surrender our rights just because you or anyone else says to "suck it up". Seriously, do you really expect that?
Columbine HAD armed guards.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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Columbine HAD armed guards.
Columbine High School had one sheriffs deputy assigned who wasn't there when the shooting started. That's not the same as having armed guards.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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People are going to kill other people for trivial reasons, in the name of GOD, for nationalistic reasons, natural resources, etc. Guns are not the problem. Our human psyche is the issue. Human murder has existed since the dawn of humanity.

Guns have made it easier to kill since it can be used remotely and it's very effective. In 30 - 80 years, it will be laser guns.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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Columbine High School had one sheriffs deputy assigned who wasn't there when the shooting started. That's not the same as having armed guards.
He was in a shootout with one of the school shooters...
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:43 PM
 
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Columbine High School had one sheriffs deputy assigned who wasn't there when the shooting started. That's not the same as having armed guards.
The left doesn't go in for truth.

Its in "rules for radicals". Say a lie enough it becomes the truth.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:45 PM
 
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He was in a shootout with one of the school shooters...
Yes, he was eating lunch nearby and showed up after the shooting started. He was a "community resource officer", not a guard.
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