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Old 12-24-2012, 08:01 AM
 
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Wow, I'm impressed. Six success stories in 15 years. Now lets look at how many thousands of people got accidentally shot in the last 15 years.

1. Your video is not a proper controlled example. It has already been shown that it is biased in its testing to produce the result it was looking for.

2. The poster provided "some" examples, it is by no means the total number of cases.

3. Please do provide some numbers of people accidentally shot. I do believe there is some data out there for such, just as there is some data concerning crimes that were stopped by people with guns.

Fair warning though, there is a ton of crap out there that tries to mislead concerning the data, make sure you look very closely at their sources and methodology. Also make sure to properly compare like evaluations between such. Note that even though they may be like in what they evaluate, they will also be lacking many other variables which may effect the data (ie, you won't be able to make any conclusions concerning it).

If you are truly honest in this pursuit, then I think you may be surprised at what you find. There was an author of a commonly cited book that did research on gun control. He started out as an advocate of it, but changed his position after extensive research into the issue.

I am not saying you will be convinced to a given side, but if you do extensive research and come out thinking there is conclusive support for gun control advocacy, then you might as well not bother because you have already made up your mind before.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:04 AM
 
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Then as the most armed developed country, you would think that we would have the least number of gun related homicides or homicides in general, but instead we rank as the higest developed nation just above Armenia and India.
I won't state conclusively that more guns = less crime, that is a huge argument in and of itself. I will say that having the number of guns that we do and our crime rates not being significant within our population (number of guns vs people and incidents with them) combined with evaluating the number of crimes in other countries, it would suggest that guns are likely not the issue of crime itself.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:07 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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The right to carry a concealed weapon doesn't guarantee anyone that they will NOT be robbed or killed by another shooter. It only guarantees us the right to have the opportunity to defend ourselves (and others). That is all that we ask.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:11 AM
 
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I am not saying you will be convinced to a given side, but if you do extensive research and come out thinking there is conclusive support for gun control advocacy, then you might as well not bother because you have already made up your mind before.
If you search the relevant literature you will find more critical critiques of John Lott and Gary Kleck's (the authors that your refer to without citing than their is research supporting their positions.

Just one for example below.

http://www.bmsg.org/pdfs/myths.pdf
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:26 AM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world.





What a crock of BS.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:26 AM
 
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If you search the relevant literature you will find more critical critiques of John Lott and Gary Kleck's (the authors that your refer to without citing than their is research supporting their positions.

Just one for example below.

http://www.bmsg.org/pdfs/myths.pdf

Sure, but keep in mind none are conclusive. I am not arguing that one side is conclusive over another, with the data available and the many research attempts out there, few attend to the numerous variables that also show correlation to occurrence.

So while I think that none of the research proves a given side, I do think both prove that neither side is conclusive to reliable point.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:49 AM
 
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I like this one much better.......


Steven Seagal is Out for Justice - YouTube

Seagal and Team shooting Belsco POST Target - YouTube

Steven Segal shooting a match head off a match - YouTube
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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The average criminal with a gun isn't a highly trained SWAT team member or firearms instructor. This was a highly staged demonstration, carefully choreographed by an anti-gun so-called "news" program. In spite of which, the CCW holders got in some solid hits, and bought time for the unarmed to escape. Instead of being methodically slaughtered one at a time.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:03 AM
 
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The average criminal with a gun isn't a highly trained SWAT team member or firearms instructor. This was a highly staged demonstration, carefully choreographed by an anti-gun so-called "news" program. In spite of which, the CCW holders got in some solid hits, and bought time for the unarmed to escape. Instead of being methodically slaughtered one at a time.
The real truth is that a dedicated CCW holder practices MORE than LEOs and even the SWAT team. I've seen several ex-military guys laugh at a SWAT team member in a gun shop before. He couldn't field strip an AR without trouble and grunting.

In short...your "title" has nothing to do with your skills. It's who took the time to learn all they could and practices the most. Like say......200 rounds a WEEK MINIMUM.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:07 AM
 
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Wow, I'm impressed. Six success stories in 15 years. Now lets look at how many thousands of people got accidentally shot in the last 15 years.
This.
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