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View Poll Results: Is overpopulation a problem?
Yes, and we need to kill off the excess population 3 6.67%
Yes, and we need to control how many children people can have 5 11.11%
Yes, but I think it's possible to curb growth without violating people's rights 18 40.00%
Undecided 0 0%
No, overpopulation is hype 19 42.22%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-24-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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IMHO, population growth is not a threat to the survival of humanity. Though those who own or control the wealth and resources feel otherwise, the illusion of Zero Sum Game blinds them. They see a finite Earth, and believe the only way to get a "bigger piece of the pie" is to take it from someone else. I say, "Bake more pies!"
Humanity can innovate and engineer the surface, to amplify the life bearing capacity. Environmental preservation is suicidal. We need environmental amplification, and thicken the life bearing volume of the thin habitable layer.
The logical step after ecoforming the Earth is to colonize space, by constructing large habitats, to orbit around the Sun and other planets. Using robotic fabricators that self replicate, these micro factories could be seeded across the Solar system. Attached to a celestial body - asteroid, moon, or comet, they could harvest resources and construct tooling, hulls and shells.
Once the exponential increase in space habitat exceeds the rate of population growth, humanity will be free of the limiting pressures of Earth that fueled wars and conflict.
Outside of the gravity well, humanity can surf the Solar system, using the Interplanetary Transport Network. With a convenient fusion reactor, plenty of expansion room and a large resource base, humanity can keep on expanding for another 6000 years. By then, we may find ways to reach the nearby stars and utilize their resources, and keep on expanding outward.
I forgot to mention that space colonization and world peace are mutually dependent. We can't divert resources to colonize space if we're wasting them in warfare. And once in space, we don't need war to gain more resources.
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Old 12-24-2012, 03:43 PM
 
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It might also be a reason why even many republicans are starting to relax immigration rules. We need more people to be paying taxes into the system. Once our older generation outnumbers our younger generations, things collapse financially.
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Old 12-24-2012, 03:58 PM
 
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It might also be a reason why even many republicans are starting to relax immigration rules. We need more people to be paying taxes into the system. Once our older generation outnumbers our younger generations, things collapse financially.
Exactly. Multiculturalism is sold to liberals as progress but the reality is it benefits the capitalists more than anyone else. Personally I think we should embrace a zero growth economy.
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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neomalthusianism is the new racism. spoiled ppl in rich white countries who think they have the right to kill off ppl in poorer countries. it truly disgusts me that these scumbags are given the time of day in western countries. they should kill themselves if they are so worried.

anyway, more or less agree with jetgraphics. earths carrying capacity is dynamic, it changes with increases in wealth, technology, infrastructure, innovation, etc. since the universe is such a big place, resources are effectively infinite - there is no meaningful limit. the human mind itself is an infinite resource.

so no overpopulation is not an issue. in some places mismanagement is an issue but thats it.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:15 PM
 
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You could fit the entire population of the world in Texas. Physical overpopulation is of no concern. We have enough food currently to feed 10/11 billion people, food is of no concern. It is the distribution of these resources that is the concern. The areas that need it the most are the areas that can not support themselves. Plus human nature of greed, etc gets in the way.
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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anytime there is an overpopulation of any species nature eventually steps in and causes a die off of some of the excess population.

The earth's carrying capacity for humans has been calculated at 2 billion with humans now 7 billion and growing.

Humans are due for a culling event........
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:16 PM
 
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I think if you look where its a problem its already started if that is your view on mother nature.Most of western world plus Japan and even China have become and will increase a every aging population.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:13 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Human population never rose much above 500,000,000 before the discovery of fossil fuels. I'd say we're living beyond the sustainable limit.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:29 PM
 
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Put too many pigs in a pen and it can never be cleaned well. The pigs turn on each other.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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There's way too many people for the jobs available.
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