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Old 12-26-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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I understand that we gun owners don't want a gun ban. But why is it so bad to go along with closing the no back ground check on private sales?

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Old 12-26-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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I think it's just a matter of feasibility. First, how would that background check be accomplished and second, how much would it cost?
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:00 PM
 
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Because they'll have one page of legislation covering background checks and another 499 pages of legal mumbo jumbo that even the authors don't understand.

If you're going to do background checks for private sales any legislation cannot in anyone hinder the transfer of private property between two people who are legally entitled. The cost cannot exceed what it costs the government and the fees charged by the dealers have to be set so they can recoup their costs and a very small profit.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:04 PM
 
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I understand that we gun owners don't want a gun ban. But why is it so bad to go along with closing the no back ground check on private sales?
Do you have links to any FTF where crimes were committed?
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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Sounds like a good way for an FFL to get an extra $20 to $100 to me.

It's BS and not needed.

If the seller asks for a valid drivers license and perhaps take a quick look at a CCW......you've done your part to make a reasonable effort.

He's from your own State, he's old enough, he already passed a Federal and State background check and has his fingerprints, scars, birthmarks already on file.

Why the need for extortion? That FFL is laughing all the way to the bank.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:12 PM
 
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Not to mention p*ssing off the FFL when you sell the guy looking at his NEW "X" and you bust out a "like new X" for $50 to $100 less.



Someone is gonna pay for that......The FFL will get even one way or another.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:26 PM
 
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I understand that we gun owners don't want a gun ban. But why is it so bad to go along with closing the no back ground check on private sales?
Private sales? Do you mean at a gun show? Newsflash- you have to fill out a FFL form to purchase a gun, even at a gun show.

Are you talking about "back alley" sales? Why can't a private citizen sell something he owns?
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:28 PM
 
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Sounds like a good way for an FFL to get an extra $20 to $100 to me.

It's BS and not needed.

If the seller asks for a valid drivers license and perhaps take a quick look at a CCW......you've done your part to make a reasonable effort.

He's from your own State, he's old enough, he already passed a Federal and State background check and has his fingerprints, scars, birthmarks already on file.

Why the need for extortion? That FFL is laughing all the way to the bank.
Asking for a DL or CCW is not required in most states. Only if you know the person buying your gun can not legally own it are you prohibited from selling it. And even if you did look at a DL just how does that say, this guy is out on parole or a felon or what ever? Only a back ground check would get that info. A CCW that is current would stop about 90 percent because its more likely that a holder is OK to own the gun. Nothing says he did not lose his right to a CCW and is a criminal who said he lost his CCW and did not turn it in. But that is much less likely than someone with just a DL which means nothing.

It is looking like the shooter William Spengler may have gotten his three guns illegally and may have done a ftf buy. He was a felon, was not allowed to buy or own a gun and had them illegally. We will know in the next few days. Even if not and he stole them I am sure criminals use the no back ground check ftf to buy guns, its just a no brainier. Do you really think that a criminal will not go to Armslist to find a seller who will sell with our so much as a whats your name? Not a snow balls chance in hell.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:33 PM
 
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in arizona it is already a crime punishable by ten years in prison if you sell a firearm to someone who is not legally allowed to own one. and while it isnt required, it is recommended that you head down to your local favorite firearms dealer and fill out the transfer of ownership paper work. it generally runs $15 and they run the background check for you.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:38 PM
 
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Private sales? Do you mean at a gun show? Newsflash- you have to fill out a FFL form to purchase a gun, even at a gun show.

Are you talking about "back alley" sales? Why can't a private citizen sell something he owns?
You really are not up on the law are you? Sales at gun shows or any private sales of guns in many states do not require any information taken by the seller from the buyer. Its called a gun show loop hole but its more than just gun shows. Your description of back alley sales is alluding to something illegal.

The loop hole is the fact that a person who legally owns a gun, in many states hand guns or rifles or shotguns, who wants to sell that gun and is not an FFL dealer does not have to even ask the seller his name to pass the gun legally on to the buyer. Its called a loop hole and I think last I checked there are only 6 states that require back ground checks on all gun sales. Colorado, California, RI,ILL, NY and OR.

CT, MD, PA require private sale back ground checks on handguns. HI,IA,MA,MI,NJ,NC,NE require purchasers to obtain a permit and under go a back ground check when buying a hand gun. 33 states have no law on the gun show or private sale at a gun show.

To answer your question why can't a private citizen sell something he owns? He can, and its not about selling or not selling, its about making sure that when a PC does sell a gun its not getting into the hands of a person who should not have it.
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