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Old 12-27-2012, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NC
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Well I could make the argument it would never meet any CO2 regulations as it's through the roof.
CO2 regulations are again something that has to be done internationally. Locally speaking, especially considering I live around the Appalachian mountains, I am more worried about SO2 issues which the EPA does an ok job of keeping a handle on.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:49 PM
 
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Probably will but most consumers don't mind paying a few cents more for clean air and water unlike places like China.
A few cents? Good luck with that. The totality of the circumstances 100% guarantees that you will be shelling out dollars for these new regulations. Just think.....you voted for it!
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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A few cents? Good luck with that. The totality of the circumstances 100% guarantees that you will be shelling out dollars for these new regulations. Just think.....you voted for it!
The second largest source of CO2 in industry is cement production, steel production is another one.

That would include rising costs for bridges, roads, sidewalks, foundations, schools, airports, buildings, cars trains, automobiles... I guess you get the picture.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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If you really want to know what's disgusting, read this:

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The actions by White House officials appear to be aimed at evading transparency laws. The House science committee sent a letter on November 16th to several White House officials, including Jackson, demanding answers. Not one Democrat signed the letter.
So are we to conclude that Democrats are complicit, or at a minimum OK with this behavior?
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:56 PM
 
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Then you should understand why we need the EPA. Basically when you burn bituminous and sub bituminous you are burning a lot more then just the carbon in the coal and you need regulations to make sure as little as possible of that other stuff gets into the air. Even "thecoalman" has admitted he doesn't want to go back to the 1970s.

You make the assumption that the states can not handle their own regulation. We don't need the EPA.
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Old 12-27-2012, 01:59 PM
 
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You make the assumption that the states can not handle their own regulation. We don't need the EPA.
It is not an assumption it is a fact that states cannot effectively handle their own regulation. This is because states will just make rules that you have to have smoke stacks tall enough so that it is another state's problem. Basically midwestern and Tennessean power plants caused much of their environmental damage in New England, and in the mid and southern atlantic states because that is where the wind took the NOx and SO2 before federal regulation cracked down on it.

In other words Maine and Vermont were where pollution from Ohio and Michigan ended up.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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In other words Maine and Vermont were where pollution from Ohio and Michigan ended up.
But a lot of those states are the beneficiaries of that electric production that caused that pollution especially in New England. The state of NJ was suing PA before Christy came into office over PA pollution. My answer was give them their wish, shut the plants down and pull the plug.


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If we want to really dig into this perhaps the state of PA should put a giant environmental tariff on any coal, natural gas or electric being exported to other states?
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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But a lot of those states are the beneficiaries of that electric production that caused that pollution especially in New England. The state of NJ was suing PA before Christy came into office over PA pollution. My answer was give them their wish, shut the plants down and pull the plug.


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If we want to really dig into this perhaps the state of PA should put a giant environmental tariff on any coal, natural gas or electric being exported to other states?
PA cannot do that again because of the feds. With that said they don't need to shut down the power plants merely do what the EPA is doing to control acid rain. As to Vermont they have Vermont Yankee which gets them a lot of their power without using any coal

Though Vermont might shut that down. But even so a lot of the east's nuclear capacity is hugely under utilized in case that happens.
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:21 PM
 
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Elgreco you do realize the EPA was created buy a Republican ...Tricky Dick Nixon....do a little research...
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Old 12-27-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Do they still plan to grill her on that alias email account she had or does she just walk away ?
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