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View Poll Results: Where do you stand when it comes to gun control?
I support legalizing all guns 59 23.23%
I support more gun rights 45 17.72%
I feel our current gun laws are sufficient 53 20.87%
I support stricter gun laws, but not bans 80 31.50%
I support banning all guns 17 6.69%
Voters: 254. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-29-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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I ,personally, support making quality firearms affordable for the average person. At the same time, proficiency with weapons is a DUTY if one chooses to own one. Firearm or not. Watching movies dont count. Grrrr.
We should be like Israel and everyone should be trained on firearms.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:52 PM
 
Location: USA
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Because not every country is armed on a national scale. If every country had nukes, there would be no war. The stakes would be too high. The Imperialists who have controlled the US since 1945 however have decided they must hold this power, and invade sovereign states like Iraq (and maybe soon Iran) who want to go nuclear.

Certain death is a wonderful deterrent. Few people died trying to cross the East/West berlin border because they knew almost certain death would result. Conversely, thousands die trying to cross the Mexico/US border because there is a reasonable chance they will not die. If you landmined the border and employed armed guards with a shoot to kill policy, few Mexicans would die because they know the stakes would be too high. Sometimes you must be cruel to be kind. Its this lethal power that saves lives.
I understand where your coming from, but disagree with the premise.

If the stakes were "too high" for war, then we wouldn't have a problem with North Korea or Iran owning nukes.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The poll is incomplete.
I support greater enforcement of existing gun laws.
I support greater punishment for violators of gun laws.
I believe in holding the facilitators equally responsible.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I really appreciate the fact that you wrote a poll that isn't full of propaganda to the point no one can vote unless they agree with the person who phrased the choices---no when did you stop beating your wife type stuff. It's rare around this forum. Thanks.

To clarify my answer, I voted stricter gun laws but no ban. I want the gun show loopholes closed so people can't buy without background checks. That would help get guns off the streets of places like Chicago, New York and Detroit. I want to see a limit on the size of the ammo magazines. There is no reason anyone outside of law enforcement and the military need the higher capacity magazines. Ten is enough for target shooters. I want to see uniform gun laws across the nation.
What are your qualifications to decide how much someone else needs? 10 isn't enough for many shooting competitions. Not all shooting games are slow bullseye target matches. Also 10 may not be enough for defense, criminals aren't always alone. I'm sure the guy who used a gun to fight off 3 home invaders, saving several children, in Sacramento last week is glad he wasn't limited to 10 rounds or 5 rounds or whatever arbitrary number you want to pick.

We should have uniform gun laws across the country, you probably want Chicago style laws across the entire country though. How about we adopt a combination of Washington and Idahos laws across the country? Violent crime is far lower in both states than in Chicago, New York or Detroit so clearly the gun laws here work just fine.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:55 PM
 
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The real purpose for the right is our tyrannical government.
We`re going to war with our elected officials? Why?
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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What are your qualifications to decide how much someone else needs? 10 isn't enough for many shooting competitions. Not all shooting games are slow bullseye target matches. Also 10 may not be enough for defense, criminals aren't always alone. I'm sure the guy who used a gun to fight off 3 home invaders, saving several children, in Sacramento last week is glad he wasn't limited to 10 rounds or 5 rounds or whatever arbitrary number you want to pick.

We should have uniform gun laws across the country, you probably want Chicago style laws across the entire country though. How about we adopt a combination of Washington and Idahos laws across the country? Violent crime is far lower in both states than in Chicago, New York or Detroit so clearly the gun laws here work just fine.
Idaho and Washington are no Chicago ha ha.

I don't know how I feel about the ammunition limit.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about urban gun violence than a school shooting. I have no kids and while the cases are tragic, they're far and few in between. People get murdered in Chicago daily. Often multiple people.
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Old 12-29-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Baldock, hertfordshire, England
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I understand where your coming from, but disagree with the premise.

If the stakes were "too high" for war, then we wouldn't have a problem with North Korea or Iran owning nukes.
You shouldnt have a problem with N.Korea or Iran owning nukes!
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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I agree with your assessment of the "poll".

I disagree with the limit on magazines.

I read recently where 4 armed criminals broke into a house. What if the owner had a gun which only held 10 rounds? He would be outnumbered 40 to 10. No thank you.
Considering they're criminals they probably wouldn't have said "wait, we can only use 10 round magazines while we break in to rape/rob/torture/murder, larger magazines are against the law".
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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Idaho and Washington are no Chicago ha ha.

I don't know how I feel about the ammunition limit.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about urban gun violence than a school shooting. I have no kids and while the cases are tragic, they're far and few in between. People get murdered in Chicago daily. Often multiple people.
That's the point. Idaho and Washington are not Chicago, so pushing laws based on problems in Chicago, or anywhere else, on the rest of the country isn't a solution. Clearly availability of guns is not the problem, it's the people in Chicago and other violent urban areas who are the problem.

Do the people in Owyhee county, which has a population density of 1.5/sq mile, need laws based on problems 1,500 miles away in Chicago?

Maybe the solution is martial law in the areas that have the problem rather than punishing the 200,000,000 people not in those areas.
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Old 12-29-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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to me gun control is how many you can get in the ten ring. what we need in this country is criminal control. lock the criminals up for long periods of time, take away their cable, porn, and other luxuries, and make them work at hard labor behind those prison walls. right now criminals constantly want to go back to prison because it is a comfortable place to be. take that away, and take away the easy sentences, and we will likely see fewer people committing crimes. and by the way, we should educate those people who commit crimes so that when they get out, they have a chance to better themselves in life, by getting jobs that will hopefully help keep them from a life of crime.
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