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Old 01-02-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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The only state of war we are in, is the one the Republicans created, to justify increasing military spending to make money for the rich defense contractors.
Actually, it was both Republicans and Democrats. In September 2001 the GOP controlled the House and Democrats controlled the Senate. It was Rep. Armey (R) who sponsored the bill in the House, and Sen. Daschle (D) who sponsored the bill in the Senate, and it passed with an overwhelming veto-proof majority. That was on September 18, 2001. As the National Defense Appropriations Act of 2011 recently reaffirmed under Section 1021, the US is still in a state of war under Public Law 107-40.

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Your plan to shutdown the armed forces would create a grave threat - since the US has many enemies. Or do you not believe that there are powerful and dangerous groups around the world that wish harm on us?
Shut down the armed forces? I don't think so. Who said anything about doing that. Have you heard about the F35 fighter program. Check it out. Think it is worth continuing? Billons saved right there. National Security will not be compromised.

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Old 01-02-2013, 11:42 AM
 
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Actually, it was both Republicans and Democrats. In September 2001 the GOP controlled the House and Democrats controlled the Senate. It was Rep. Armey (R) who sponsored the bill in the House, and Sen. Daschle (D) who sponsored the bill in the Senate, and it passed with an overwhelming veto-proof majority. That was on September 18, 2001. As the National Defense Appropriations Act of 2011 recently reaffrimed under Section 1021, the US is still in a state of war under Public Law 107-40.

No matter, it's the Republican's fault!
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Actually, it was both Republicans and Democrats. In September 2001 the GOP controlled the House and Democrats controlled the Senate. It was Rep. Armey (R) who sponsored the bill in the House, and Sen. Daschle (D) who sponsored the bill in the Senate, and it passed with an overwhelming veto-proof majority. That was on September 18, 2001. As the National Defense Appropriations Act of 2011 recently reaffrimed under Section 1021, the US is still in a state of war under Public Law 107-40.
Yes I remember. I remember that any Congressman who didn't "support our troops" was labeled a traitor. Game over. If it was me and I had sold every vestige of self respect to live off the tithings of hard working taxpayers and maintain the manner to which by an electoral process... ... I would have voted for the wars as well. But I am not a Democratic Senator. However, I can empathize if not sympathize. A Conservative like yourself should be able to see it even more objectively. It is, however, convenient to remind us that the wars were sanctioned by Democrats. What about that Debt Ceiling, what about the Fiscal Cliff... isn't it annoying when your ideological opposites don't roll right over and capitulate? All the more so because you don't get to say "well she wanted it... "
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Yes I remember. I remember that any Congressman who didn't "support our troops" was labeled a traitor. Game over. If it was me and I had sold every vestige of self respect to live off the tithings of hard working taxpayers and maintain the manner to which by an electoral process... ... I would have voted for the wars as well. But I am not a Democratic Senator. However, I can empathize if not sympathize. A Conservative like yourself should be able to see it even more objectively. It is, however, convenient to remind us that the wars were sanctioned by Democrats. What about that Debt Ceiling, what about the Fiscal Cliff... isn't it annoying when your ideological opposites don't roll right over and capitulate? All the more so because you don't get to say "well she wanted it... "
Obviously you do not remember. September 18, 2001, the date Public Law 107-40 was enacted, was before any of our troops was sent to Afghanistan, and 18 months before any of our troops were sent to Iraq.

The "fiscal cliff" was a media fabrication to instill fear and foreboding in the general public. The outcome was inevitiable, the Republicans caved to Democrat pressure to continue spending irresponsibly. The debt ceiling is similar to the fiscal cliff. It is just another means for Congress to try to explain to the people why they need to spend far more than we have and put future generations into serious debt.

If Democrats were honest, which we know they are not, they would tell the American people that they want to completely bankrupt the nation as quickly as possible because they vehemently hate everything about the United States of America, particularly the founding principles of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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Your plan to shutdown the armed forces would create a grave threat - since the US has many enemies. Or do you not believe that there are powerful and dangerous groups around the world that wish harm on us?


The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Give us more money for the military.

Keep spreading the fear. Thats the only thing you conservatives are good at.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:49 PM
 
Location: USA
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If Democrats were honest, which we know they are not, they would tell the American people that they want to completely bankrupt the nation as quickly as possible because they vehemently hate everything about the United States of America, particularly the founding principles of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
I hear they support abortion to have babies to eat, too.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Your plan to shutdown the armed forces would create a grave threat - since the US has many enemies. Or do you not believe that there are powerful and dangerous groups around the world that wish harm on us?
Great, let's focus on national defense, then, and cut/fully eliminate our armed forces scattered around the world.
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Old 01-02-2013, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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If Democrats were honest, which we know they are not, they would tell the American people that they want to completely bankrupt the nation as quickly as possible because they vehemently hate everything about the United States of America, particularly the founding principles of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
Wow. Where do you even get such nonsense -- none of which is tethered to facts or reality?
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I think the trend is changing on that issue. I see liberals these days admitting there is a spending problem. But they lay it all at the feet of the military. So they are still clueless about reality, since even if we spent nothing on the military the rising cost of entitlements would still bankrupt the nation. All that the military cuts they squawk about would do is delay the inevitable, it wouldn't actually solve the structural problems we have.
Liberals always want to cut the military, no matter what our spending and revenue levels are at.
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