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I can understand the need to check all gun owners, as it seems a lot of the people that are using guns to kill other people are using legally purchased weapons. It might be a good idea to be able to check out the people who have purchased in the past. Who knows they might be missing their weapons and not even know it.
The sandy hook shooter was too young to be in possession of any hand guns..... There is plenty of law, just no enforcement... You must be 21 to possess a hand gun... 18 for a long gun....
paper tiger law doesn't work. Just making law and expecting people to obey it is stupid.....
There are laws against robbing banks and yet people still do....
They know my address from the forms I signed at purchase so why do they need me to register?
You are already registered. You can call it something else, and define "registration" in a different way, but it is what it is. If they took down your name and documented it along with the serial number of your firearm, then your gun is "registered" whether you want to admit it or not. We can play word games all day long, and pretend we don't know what each other is saying, but what's the point?
The discussion is about reguistering them, not taking them away.
if everyone has their guns registered nationally, HYPOTHETICALLY would you agree that it would make it easier to have them taken away?
again, i don't know much about guns. do you have to pay to register them? is there a fee involved?
what i want to know is why does everything have to happen on a national level? it is just stupid. if states want to control guns, (like say NY or california) let them do it and see how it works out for them.
then other states (and citizens) can decide if that is what they want, depending on the results. it also would allow people to live in a state which correlated with their beliefs.
The sandy hook shooter was too young to be in possession of any hand guns..... There is plenty of law, just no enforcement... You must be 21 to possess a hand gun... 18 for a long gun....
paper tiger law doesn't work. Just making law and expecting people to obey it is stupid.....
There are laws against robbing banks and yet people still do....
Laws are made to keep honest people honest. Maybe part of the law would be a requirement to properly store weapons so that they can't get out of the owners hands. It could be then checked on a yearly basis.
if everyone has their guns registered nationally, HYPOTHETICALLY would you agree that it would make it easier to have them taken away?
If they wanted to take them away, I can't think of anything easier than simply telling people to turn them in. There is no registry needed, because most people obey the law, and the ones who do not, will be the same ones would also refuse to register the guns. Their refusal would result in fines, or whatever other penalties there is for illegal possession of a firearm. Either way there would be people who do not turn them all in.
I can understand the need to check all gun owners, as it seems a lot of the people that are using guns to kill other people are using legally purchased weapons. It might be a good idea to be able to check out the people who have purchased in the past. Who knows they might be missing their weapons and not even know it.
You've accepted the media brainwashing. There are not a lot of people using guns to kill other people. 350,000,000 people in the country, 100,000,000 gun owners 15,000 / year using guns to kill other people, mostly criminals killing other criminals. 0.015%. That is not a lot.
If the media covered every vehicle fatality as heavily as they do every shooting so many people would be afraid to get in their cars they would be calling for bans on vehicles over 1,500 lbs and stricter licensing requirements for everyone.
You've accepted the media brainwashing. There are not a lot of people using guns to kill other people. 350,000,000 people in the country, 100,000,000 gun owners 15,000 / year using guns to kill other people, mostly criminals killing other criminals. 0.015%. That is not a lot.
If the media covered every vehicle fatality as heavily as they do every shooting so many people would be afraid to get in their cars they would be calling for bans on vehicles over 1,500 lbs and stricter licensing requirements for everyone.
I dont accept your idea of vehicle death with gun deaths. See vehicle death is an accident. A shooting death unless to oneself is not an accident.
All this talk of banning guns is as ridiculous as an idea of banning black/hispanic people would be.
Most of the most dangerous communities in this country are mostly black. Most violent crime is commited by blacks. The most run down cities/communities have high black population now yet did well before black population spiked.
so do we call for banning of black people? No. If we used liberal mentality though, that would be the answer.
You've accepted the media brainwashing. There are not a lot of people using guns to kill other people. 350,000,000 people in the country, 100,000,000 gun owners 15,000 / year using guns to kill other people, mostly criminals killing other criminals. 0.015%. That is not a lot.
If the media covered every vehicle fatality as heavily as they do every shooting so many people would be afraid to get in their cars they would be calling for bans on vehicles over 1,500 lbs and stricter licensing requirements for everyone.
Auto safety requirements are quite extensive to be honest with you, and more are added all the time to reduce fatalities in traffic accidents.
Well, that is simply not true. There are dozens of countries where people register their guns, but they have not been banned, Swizerland for example.
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I don't see anything easier than them simply informing the nation that all firearms need to be turned in. Trust me, if they want our guns, they don't need a registry to grab them.
a few things;
1: the registration of your automobile is done at the STATE level, not the federal level.
2: you have to understand the difference between a privilege and a right. owning a firearm is a RIGHT protected by the constitution, driving is a privilege that is NOT protected by the constitution. we only have a right to travel freely, we do not have a right to a particular mode of transportation, except walking.
now as to your thinking that somehow registration of firearms is ok, understand that it is the first steo towards confiscation. how you ask? good question, so follow along.
we know there are lobbying groups, like handgun control inc. and a number of progressives in congress, who all want to see firearms eliminated from our society as they feel it would make our country safer(misguided as they are). but they know that to come out and push for an outright ban on guns would never fly, that pesky second amendment and its supporters would scream bloody murder to prevent a gun ban.
so what do they do? well they start with "sensible" laws, like we ban a few of those nasty evil assault weapons, most people can go along with that right? then they push for gun registration, again most people can go along with as it is a harmless thing right? then they push for a ban on high capacity magazines, then its you dont need more than a 9mm round right? then its a semi auto ban, until such time as its they are coming for your muzzle loading black powder rifles and pistols.
its called incrementalism. it has worked for tobacco products, and food products, so why not firearms? they take things away a little at a time, that way people dont realize that they are losing the things they used to have, until it gets to the point where the government now has full control or made a complete ban on what used to be legal items, and the constitution be damned.
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