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Old 12-31-2012, 08:34 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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So that in that video in this thread, at one point one of the women says something like "in college I was taught that the white race is the cause of society's problems" or something like that.

That's a story you see a lot of on the internet. Someone talking about their socialist liberal homosexual muslim professor blaming white people for everything and telling white students they should feel guilty for their ancestors' actions.

But in my experience in college, I have never ever witnessed that. Maybe it's because I'm a business major and didn't take things like "race relations 100" for my core requirements, but I've seriously never been lectured to about white guilt or any other **** that the Internet says happens in every college in America.

So what say you, students and grads of P&OC? Were you ever witness to this stuff or can we safely say that it's a load of bull**** spread by people who are generally anti-education?
Not in engineering school (I don't recall it ever being brought up) but when I went back to get my master of arts in teaching, BIG TIME. I had an entire class on racism and sexism and racism was a common theme in several other classes. The message was that whites owe blacks because of slavery (funny but my ancesters weren't even in this country during slavery so I can't figure out why I owe anyone anything). We owe them money, we owe them free educations, we owe them prefferential treatment for college admissions and employment. We were taught that affirmative action is necessary to right the wrongs of the past (in essence, doing to whites, today, what was done to blacks in the past, somehow, rights the wrong. I was always taught that two wrongs never make a right .)

Personally, I believe there will be no equality until we treat everyone equal. As long as we treat some groups different than others, there will be prejudice. How is the white candidate for the job who was better qualified to feel towards the lesser qualified black person who got the job because of affirmative action? Allowing a lesser qualified person to get the job also perpetuates they myth that say, women, are less qualified for their jobs. While I think companies should be penalized for not hiring the best candidate, I don't think affirmative action helps.

Case in point. When I was a co-op student, the department I was with always hired a female or minority for the position. They reported this number to the government as a minority hiring when none of us had any chance of getting the job permanently. The government figured this out and basically, dared them to NOT hire the next co-op permanently. The only problem here is she was a ditz. The three previous co-op students were exemplary (myself included) but the one that got hired was an idiot. All they did is perpetuate the myth that women can't handle the job when they forced them to hire her. What they should have done is dared them not to hire the next woman who was actually qualified for the job or made them go back and offer jobs to the co-ops who were who were passed over.

Being a female engineer, I see affirmative action as perpetuating stereotypes. As my grandmother used to say "You cannot make up for the sins of the past. All you can do is start from today and to it right.". You do not make up for past discrimination with reverse discrimination today. All you do is create bitterness going the other way.

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Old 12-31-2012, 08:54 AM
 
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so essentially this whole right wing propaganda tool about white guilt being programmed into whites is a sham, which is what i thought all along.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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The white man should be looked up to for getting the world organised, not the other way around.

I guess that would be considered a racist statement by some, but it's just calling a spade a spade IMO
Racist and pretty stupid as well, unless you believe that 6,000 years of Chinese civilization is the result of the "efforts" of white Europeans. Of course it doesn't address the historical fact that many of the conflicts that we are embroiled in today were the direct result of white Europeans "organizing" the world against the wishes of many of the world's inhabitants. After all, it wasn't like white Europeans called a meeting and convinced that Hutus and Tutsis should share the same nation with the Hutus in charge, it wasn't the people of West Africa who were convinced that it was a great idea to be dragged halfway around the world to work for no pay for European plantation owners, or convince native people that they should share their land... have their land take actually, by Europeans.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Not that I can remember.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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My college professors did a good job of staying neutral when these sorts of topics came up. I took several classes on culture and history, mainly focused on Latin America. There were many discussions on slavery, imperialism, the U.S. policy regarding Latin America over the last century, etc. Most of the professors were from these countries and I'm sure they had strong opinions, but they stuck to facts, asked questions, and let students direct most of the discussions. We learned a lot of interesting things. I had a prof. who spent a lot of time in Palestine. She told us about how people lived there, the things they talked to her about, and so on, just to give us an idea about the mindset without ever giving us lectures on whether she thought they were right or wrong. Another prof had lived in apartheid South Africa and spent time in the shanty towns there. Lots of discussions on the conditions there, how people were treated, but she never tried to induce "white guilt."
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:45 AM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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It sure isn't the Africans fault that they are suck on little islands with little resource
It isn't the fault of Billy Bob Smith, who was raised in the poverty struck Appalachian Mountains, either. People end up born where they are born, most of us in America hit the jackpot.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:47 AM
 
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Nope. I never heard any such thing being mentioned, or even implied... and I was an Ethnic Studies minor (English Lit major) at a liberal arts college in California.
Nope for me as well. I never heard the subject even mentioned until the rise of right-wing radio shows. That's also where I first heard that college professors are supposedly indoctrinating students to be good little liberals.

Neither happened in my college career with included Undergrad and Grad School.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:50 AM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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Oh, the stupid things we had to do to get that fancy piece of worthless paper from our Liberal-controlled universities.
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Niflheim
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People need to read more history! All civilizations regardless of race have had slaves at some time.

Africans had Indian slaves for example, but I guess that is a fact that is convenient to exclude from such conversations.
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