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Old 12-31-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Get rid of it and the whole FEDERAL gov is gone

Id love to reset to the original document and 10 amendments and start all over and fire every single politician we have and ban them from ever running for office again...

That would include ending the FED and issuing real lawful $$$ and no income tax...

This NY guy I refuse to read is most likely thinking of something that has more of a UN globalist agenda...

Reality says if theses so called "liberals" keep this crap up, there will eventually be another civil war...
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Old 12-31-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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Reality says if theses so called "liberals" keep this crap up, there will eventually be another civil war...
Zum letzten Mal wird Sturmalarm geblasen!
Zum Kampfe steh'n wir alle schon bereit!
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:27 PM
 
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Did anyone actually read the article?
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Old 01-01-2013, 02:55 AM
 
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It's time to stop looking at liberals and progressives as fellow citizens of the US and look at them as the enemy.

"If we acknowledged what should be obvious — that much constitutional language is broad enough to encompass an almost infinitely wide range of positions — we might have a very different attitude about the obligation to obey. It would become apparent that people who disagree with us about the Constitution are not violating a sacred text or our core commitments. Instead, we are all invoking a common vocabulary to express aspirations that, at the broadest level, everyone can embrace. Of course, that does not mean that people agree at the ground level. If we are not to abandon constitutionalism entirely, then we might at least understand it as a place for discussion, a demand that we make a good-faith effort to understand the views of others, rather than as a tool to force others to give up their moral and political judgments. If even this change is impossible, perhaps the dream of a country ruled by “We the people” is impossibly utopian. If so, we have to give up on the claim that we are a self-governing people who can settle our disagreements through mature and tolerant debate. But before abandoning our heritage of self-government, we ought to try extricating ourselves from constitutional bondage so that we can give real freedom a chance."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/op...tw-share&_r=1&

The only chance freedom has left is the Constitution. Liberals have wanted that piece of paper outlawed for many years and now dream about it on the pages of the NY Times. We are teetering on the brink of losing the last bastion of freedom this world knows.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Ronald Reagan
Gee thats deep, lets have a civil war and the righties can fight their enemies the lefties and millions of Americans will die in the conflict,And we'll be perpetrating this holocost because? Oh yeah because Kuchief doesnt like lefties..
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:32 AM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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It's time to stop looking at liberals and progressives as fellow citizens of the US and look at them as the enemy.

The only chance freedom has left is the Constitution. Liberals have wanted that piece of paper outlawed for many years and now dream about it on the pages of the NY Times. We are teetering on the brink of losing the last bastion of freedom this world knows.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Ronald Reagan
It is interesting while Obama puts on his full court press against small business and has his gun-control team waiting to take the field, that the complicit media pick this time for such a blatant attack upon the Constitution.

When they take this document, they have taken our country, but they have not won until they breed out the generations that remember this country and what it stands for.
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:36 AM
 
Location: Inwood
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the "founding fathers" would have been called "nutjobs" and "tin foil hatjobs" by CD users if they were alive and posting on this forum today.

Why? because they would have been talking about revolt. Then they would have been murdered by the state or buried under the jail.
They would be considered nutjobs...many owned slaves. You need to quit looking at these people like they are Jesus Christ
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:43 AM
 
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They would be considered nutjobs...many owned slaves. You need to quit looking at these people like they are Jesus Christ
I actually don't....

And your point should actually resonate with most of the partisans on CD. They both feed into the dogma. I, on the other hand, am not a constitutionalist.
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:54 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by KUchief25 View Post
It's time to stop looking at liberals and progressives as fellow citizens of the US and look at them as the enemy.

"If we acknowledged what should be obvious — that much constitutional language is broad enough to encompass an almost infinitely wide range of positions — we might have a very different attitude about the obligation to obey. It would become apparent that people who disagree with us about the Constitution are not violating a sacred text or our core commitments. Instead, we are all invoking a common vocabulary to express aspirations that, at the broadest level, everyone can embrace. Of course, that does not mean that people agree at the ground level. If we are not to abandon constitutionalism entirely, then we might at least understand it as a place for discussion, a demand that we make a good-faith effort to understand the views of others, rather than as a tool to force others to give up their moral and political judgments. If even this change is impossible, perhaps the dream of a country ruled by “We the people” is impossibly utopian. If so, we have to give up on the claim that we are a self-governing people who can settle our disagreements through mature and tolerant debate. But before abandoning our heritage of self-government, we ought to try extricating ourselves from constitutional bondage so that we can give real freedom a chance."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/op...tw-share&_r=1&

The only chance freedom has left is the Constitution. Liberals have wanted that piece of paper outlawed for many years and now dream about it on the pages of the NY Times. We are teetering on the brink of losing the last bastion of freedom this world knows.

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."

Ronald Reagan
This is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life. I can't believe anyone would think a new constitution automatically won't or is unable to enshrine freedoms in it, as if the only time that could ever happen was 250 years ago. Get a grip on reality. These 1776-or-nothing "conservatives" are ruining our country. It could be the year 9000 and these people would still be fretting and debating over what the founding fathers intended for our nation. You know what? It doesn't matter one bit what they think. We can learn from them, but this country can be whatever the hell we want it to be.
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Old 01-01-2013, 04:06 AM
 
Location: Inwood
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This is the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life. I can't believe anyone would think a new constitution automatically won't or is unable to enshrine freedoms in it, as if the only time that could ever happen was 250 years ago. Get a grip on reality. These 1776-or-nothing "conservatives" are ruining our country. It could be the year 9000 and these people would still be fretting and debating over what the founding fathers intended for our nation. You know what? It doesn't matter one bit what they think. We can learn from them, but this country can be whatever the hell we want it to be.
These are the same people that believe that the rapture is going to take them up to heaven, they believe in fairy tales and make believe. It's hard for them to grasp that the founding fathers did not envision assault rifles, grenades, nukes, electricity, the internet, blacks without a price, etc.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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These are the same people that believe that the rapture is going to take them up to heaven, they believe in fairy tales and make believe. It's hard for them to grasp that the founding fathers did not envision assault rifles, grenades, nukes, electricity, the internet, blacks without a price, etc.
And yet when our black brothers were freed did we toss out the entire Constitution and start from scratch? No, we amended the existing one. If there were enough support to amend the Second Amendment it would get done: people are basically whining about the overwhelming majority requirement because they're never able ti get that much support for it.

I still can't believe that people actually think things like freedom of speech, freedom of the press, the right to due process, privacy, or even prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment would just automatically still be there in the writing of a brand new Constitution. Not when the PATRIOT Act and the NDAA passed so easily, so recently, and by the same people who would make sure they were writing that new Constitution as well.
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