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Why would you want anyone to be a libertarian? You seem to me to be the anti-libertarian. The Libertarian party is pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion rights, pro-prostitution legalization.
I am a conservative with libertarian values. I oppose the death penalty, promote legalization of drugs, and support common sense envoronmental regulation.
I used to see prostitution as a victimless crime(my expression of such ideas once got me temporarilly in trouble with the law - although I was never charged with anything - and the nature of the accusation was far from what you might think - it was actually worse - and entirely false.) - but now view it as it a misogynististic attack on the humanity and value of women.
Why do liberals endorse such hatred of females and their humanity?
True, many libertarians are pro abortion and support redefining marriage. I voted for the libertarian candidate for president in 2000 - Harry Browne.
Later, I realized that my political beliefs are not so aligned with the libertarian party line, however I do belive that less government control is the optimal status for our republic, and I am defined as a libertarian(who wants smaller government) in any measurable method of determination of such values.
The founding fathers were libertarian, and you seem to me as being anti-constitutional - which the document that makes known constitutionality, was the product of our founding fathers.
How do you know they're not bisexual? Seeing as the largest groups affected are black women who get infected by their husbands on the down low, not sure why you're ignoring the reality of the suppressed bisexuals.
"Although MSM [males who have sex with males] represent about 4% of the male population in the United States, in 2010, MSM accounted for 78% of new HIV infections among males and 63% of all new infections."
Why are you trying so hard to avoid the obvious fact that HIV/AIDS is far more prevalent in the gay male community than among hetero men. Are you seriously suggesting that the MSM stats are massively skewed by bisexual men ?
Most people in Israel are very against gay marriage and it will never pass there even if it's legal in the rest of the world.
the reason the "divorce" happened was that Isreal was forced by the adhere Supreme court based on Israel' non existing constitution to except outside "marriages". The Israeli Supreme court is a court that is know as the most activist court in the world and is still mostly controlled by the ever decreasing left wing socialists. Most of their policy based decisions are rejected by most of the country. Their decisions on dealing with terrorists are so left wing even the left in America would object if the US implemented them. The "divorce" happened because rabbis control all Jewish weddings and divorces based in Israel and they decided they wouldn't divorce them because they weren't married. So they were forced to get the first secular "divorce" in Israels history. This is only a big deal because all divorces of Jews in Israel are done by rabbis, (Muslims by imams, Christians by preists etc.) and there is a move to allow civil marriages in Israel but that will not be for 2 members of the same sex. If same gender "marriage" would be allowed in Israel there would be a civil war.
PS Israel is the only western country in the world that the younger you are the more likely you're going to be religious.
And you're getting your "statistics" where exactly?
That right there proves you to be totally making stuff up and trying to project your fanatical religion upon people who clearly do not agree with you. Here you work in one of the most morally corrupt industries in the history of mankind (diamonds exist in Western culture solely due to the exploitation of Africans and the murder and war used to take control over those mines) and you're trying to tell the majority of people that they're the ones who are on the wrong side of morality?
If you were a Rabbi who preached love and knowledge it would be one thing for you to hold these opinions, but you're a Jewel dealer who profits off of the exploitation of entire nations and the destruction of natural resources. You cannot take moral high ground making a living the way you do.
You are the antithesis of libertarian values and principles. Here's the primary statement of principle of the Libertarian Party:
"We hold that all individuals have the right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they choose"
How do you reconcile that with your desire to discriminate against and mistreat gay people?
Here are some other libertarian principles (straight from the party platform) you spit directly in the face of:
"we oppose all interference by government in the areas of voluntary and contractual relations among individuals"
"We condemn bigotry as irrational and repugnant. Government should neither deny nor abridge any individual's human right based upon sex, wealth, ethnicity, creed, age, national origin, personal habits, political preference or sexual orientation."
1. Willful murder.
2. The sin of Sodom.
3. Oppressing the poor.
4. Defrauding working men of their just wages.
All of these are sadly prevalent in the United States, but only one of these is threatening to become institutionalized today: the sin of Sodom, in the form of same-sex "marriage".
Same-sex "marriage" is not a mere trifle. If institutionalized it will turn our civilization inside-out. Although abortion (i.e., "willful murder") is arguably a greater evil, most citizens can at least avoid complicity. Not so with same-sex "marriage". Everyone from county clerks to school teachers, from insurance salesmen to commercial printers, from caterers to photographers, from journalists to secretaries, from social workers to health care professionals, etc. etc. ad infinitum, will be forced - on pain of legal sanctions, loss of employment, or social marginalization - to confess that unmarried people are married, that lies are truth, that unreality is reality; and to cooperate with and facilitate the whole damnable charade. This is the textbook definition of tyranny. Men and women of conscience, who refuse to lie or pretend for anyone, will eventually be deprived of their livelihoods.
"How Same-Sex 'Marriage' Suffocates Freedom" by Bryce Christensen outlines the process:
"For those trying to enshrine the notion of same-sex 'marriage' in law are not primarily trying to enlarge the freedom of homosexuals; they are primarily striving to diminish the freedom of skeptics who would deny that the union of homosexuals is—or can ever be—a legitimate marriage. The aim of those trying to inscribe the novelty of homosexual marriage in law is actually that of making an outlaw out of anyone who would question the moral substance of this new social construct and the sexual behaviors it legitimates."
Do you love your country? If you do, you will do everything in your power to oppose the insidious totalitarian trojan horse (no pun intended) of same-sex "marriage". And by that I mean insisting that government acknowledge the metaphysical reality of marriage as it actually exists - the union of one man and one woman established for the procreation of children, the mutual help of spouses, and the prevention of concupiscence.
Well we are oppressing the poor as well, backing them against the wall or rather backing them into the ocean, so we need to work on our community. Oh and we're doing a LOT of willful murder as well. Oh shyt, and the defraud of a person's just wages....
Yea we REALLY need to get those homosexuals but forget about the other three that YOU yourself listed
Wouldn't a gay married couple be more likely to remain faithful and therefore less likely to spread HIV/AIDS? After all, when I was a single guy living by myself I used to take home a different woman every weekend, but now that I'm in a serious long-term relationship I only sleep with her. Even though I have the carnal desire to take home that cute girl in my office who hits on me every day, I don't because of the consequences of doing so. Gay men and straight men have similar sex drives, they just drive towards a different target...
And being anti-gay, you should be PRO-Gay Marriage...think about it. What better way to "identify" the gays in the country than by having a registration system with the state? That way you can look up on a public record if someone is gay and discriminate them accordingly. That way, when you want to go all Gestapo on the gays, there's a paper trail.
The discussion of AIDS was underway when I gave the stats. Take the relevance up with folks who 1st brought it up.
I happen to be pro-ssm. I also am pro-the truth about AIDS/HIV.
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Wait... what? Are you suggesting that only orthodox Judaism of the type you apparently espouse should be permitted?
Should liberal and reform Judaism be banned?
What exactly are you saying here??
I'm saying that liberal and reform-Judaism, is not Judaism. I never said the US goverment should make laws that ban liberal and reform-Judaism though I would not oppose such laws if they made them. I said that gay "rights" laws prevent Jews from following Judaism. I'm saying the gay movement is filled with anti Semites as judged by those who want to ban circumcision for everyone including jews being cheered when they march in their pride parades. I'm saying that the gay movement and specifically "marriage" will destroy society in many ways specifically birth rates, and decreasing normal marriage rates will helps build stable societies. I'm saying that people's attractions are effected by what their society considers to be exceptable and desirable (color, height, weight, etc. and yes gender). I'm saying that gay rights changed more people to become open to practice dangerous (in Africa 10 times more likely to have aids) and worthless (no biological children) compared to normal lifestyles. I'm saying that many people who once considered themselves 100% gay no are happily married (to a member of the opposite sex) with children (like Bill Deblassio's wife). I'm saying that the gay community will never stop "fighting" even after they achieve all the "rights" they say they want now because they always want new rights. First all they wanted was the "right" to practice debauchery then they wanted only the "right" to get better job security then anyone else in the world, then they only wanted the "right" to teach their lifestyle in the schools against the parents wishes, then only they wanted the "right" to "marry" next they will want the right to close down anyone who disagrees with them, then they may want the right to force clergy to preform "marriages" or did I reverse the order?
Considering that he had previously said that we don't actually HAVE freedom of religion, I think we actually made some progress with him.
However, "religion" does include some belief systems, and it of course includes the freedom to not have religion (which is not the same as "freedom from religion" though, because that would cross the line into dictating others' beliefs instead of the right to one's own).
it's freedom of religion not freedom from religion. I would have no problem (constitutionally) if the government mandates that every single person become religious as long as every individual has the option of what religion.
I'm saying that liberal and reform-Judaism, is not Judaism. I never said the US goverment should make laws that ban liberal and reform-Judaism though I would not oppose such laws if they made them. I said that gay "rights" laws prevent Jews from following Judaism. I'm saying the gay movement is filled with anti Semites as judged by those who want to ban circumcision for everyone including jews being cheered when they march in their pride parades. I'm saying that the gay movement and specifically "marriage" will destroy society in many ways specifically birth rates, and decreasing normal marriage rates will helps build stable societies. I'm saying that people's attractions are effected by what their society considers to be exceptable and desirable (color, height, weight, etc. and yes gender). I'm saying that gay rights changed more people to become open to practice dangerous (in Africa 10 times more likely to have aids) and worthless (no biological children) compared to normal lifestyles. I'm saying that many people who once considered themselves 100% gay no are happily married (to a member of the opposite sex) with children (like Bill Deblassio's wife). I'm saying that the gay community will never stop "fighting" even after they achieve all the "rights" they say they want now because they always want new rights. First all they wanted was the "right" to practice debauchery then they wanted only the "right" to get better job security then anyone else in the world, then they only wanted the "right" to teach their lifestyle in the schools against the parents wishes, then only they wanted the "right" to "marry" next they will want the right to close down anyone who disagrees with them, then they may want the right to force clergy to preform "marriages" or did I reverse the order?
The only thing I've ever wanted for gays - and the only thing I've ever seen any gay person argue for - is equal treatment under the civil, secular laws of the United States. Period. That's all.
If someone wants to do the poop shoot its none of my or your business. A husband can do it to a wife and a wife can do a strap on and do it to a husband, so what? As Rodney Carrington said if you want to hand from a fan and have your wife or husband put a pop bottle up your rear end than knock yourself out. Why do Christians keep putting their nose in other peoples sex? Either they are not getting any them self or they are secretly homosexual and are fighting it. LOL. The same bible that says Men who lay with men are and abomination also says shrimp and clams are and abomination to eat. So go picket a sea food restaurant you idiots.
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We should be in hell then
