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Old 11-06-2011, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Sorry, class warfare has been in existance for a long time...

Those who have, just get annoyed when someone points out the obvious...

A 35 hour a week Walmart worker earning

$9.00 an hour...

$315 a week...

$1,260 a month

$15,120 a year....

Simply cannot compete against a Bank CEO who routinley recieves $20,000,000 in bonus money every quarter...

Infact...a $15,000 a year wage earner cannot even compete against a low end paper manipulators bonus of $4.5 million...

It would take around 320 years, for the $15,000 a year earner to save up that amount...320 years.

So that means people on Wall Street who manipulate markets and other peoples investments, and then disperse other peoples investments in the form or bonuses...are 320 years ahead of the average wage earner in earnings...

Class warfare already exists...

When all those people lost their 401ks...not a dime of their money was reimbursed...even after banks and investment firms recovered...

If that's not in your face class warfare, than what is...

The money horders just get annoyed when an elected official points that out...and would rather have the masses continue to work as lowly peasents earning $14,000 a year on a full time job...

Life is short...most wage earners will get sick or die before they can realize their dreams or full potential in life...

And do any of the fat cats turn around and use their bogus bonus money to help ordinary families stay in their homes?? yes or no?

Banks that foreclose on homes...and the CEO's who get $40 million dollar bonuses at end of quarter...do those CEO's ever take their own money and help a few families stay in their homes?

No...instead they watch the working poor and frail get more poor and frail, and they deposit their bonuses overseas...tell me that isn't class warfare...

When the rich seize the homes of layed off workers...tell me that isn't class warfare...

When privately owned prisons go out of their way to fill the cells up, even with people who jay walk, so that the business group that owns it can rake in revenue....while destroying the lives of low income earners who can't afford good atternies...tell me that isn't class warfare

The haves, have been trampling on the have nots for centuries...class warfare isn't something new...

Speaker John Boehner...class warfare exists whether President Obama points it out or not...

But it's from the top down...cause low wage earners don't have enough clout to effect the billionares....what they do effects us...what we do as induvisuals don't effect them in the least bit...

Let the filthy rich, who stole the money through ill gotten means, keep their money...I don't want it...but don't pretend that somehow class warfare never existed or never occured until current President came to office...


(And no, I'm not talking about people who started their own businesses and earn their money through sound legal practices...don't even go there, or people who earn a salary through a high paying career field, like Doctors, engineers ect ect...they earn their money...they don't sit there and artifiscally inflate their pay by 300%)
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, FL
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If you want to see "Class Warfare" just look at 1948.
And not only was that election all about Class Warfare, but some of the rhetoric then makes today's candidates look like pussycats!
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:23 AM
 
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This class warfare accusation is floating like a rock. People are ticked off right now and Wall Street is an easy direction to direct that anger. To even look like you don't understand or agree with that anger will give you some trouble in 2012.
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Old 11-06-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This class warfare accusation is floating like a rock. People are ticked off right now and Wall Street is an easy direction to direct that anger. To even look like you don't understand or agree with that anger will give you some trouble in 2012.
You are correct...it's down right insulting for Speaker Beohnor to tell someone who's working 2 part-time jobs with no benifits...that they are on an even playing field with someone who can afford to pay $30,000 a night to stay at a luxury Penthouse in Tokyo...

Certain financial insiders simply hyper inflate their own incomes...

They don't work no harder or longer than Sanitation truck drivers...and wouldn't last long on a job like that...

They simply hyper inflate their own incomes...and tell themselves...

"Gee, I think I'm worth $20 million this year, is that ok with you Bob?"

Sure Ed...and while your at it...throw me in a $10 million dollar bonus...my wifes anniversary is coming up and I want to take her somewhere special"...

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Old 11-06-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Florida
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If you want to see "Class Warfare" just look at 1948.
And not only was that election all about Class Warfare, but some of the rhetoric then makes today's candidates look like pussycats!
Class warfare has gone on for millinia....

The rich, and those in power, always seek to oppress or silence the masses or peasants or servants...

There's nothing new about that...it goes on in all societies...

Quadifi did it, Saddam did it, the old Soviet Union did it...

And now Capitolists are doing it...the money spread is so vast now...that those at the bottom can never catch up...

We don't have enough years to live to catch up...

It benefits the rich and those in power...to keep the masses passified with 'The American dream' template...

The way Islamic dictators tried to keep their masses passified by blaming the West for their poverty...

The money horders in the West...saw what happened in the middle east...and don't want it happening here...

But people can only take so much bs...

your suppose to be content living in a tent, while they wine and dine at $10,000 a plate fund raisers....

And prance around barefoot on marble floors in their Mansions....

While their accountants continue to falsify, and manipulate papers to pour in more and more dough....
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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A 35 hour a week Walmart worker earning
What if that's all his skill, education and experience deserves?

Why in the world would you think a burger flipper or Walmart greeter should be on a level with a CEO of a million/billion dollar company?

But the question you might ask is: WHERE did that CEO start from? From the bottom, working his way up the employment ladder maybe?

Maybe the low-wage earner should better themselves in order to get a better job, more education, etc, etc, etc.

Your solution is to give from those that DO better themselves and succeed to those that don't, for whatever reason.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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What if that's all his skill, education and experience deserves?

Why in the world would you think a burger flipper or Walmart greeter should be on a level with a CEO of a million/billion dollar company?

But the question you might ask is: WHERE did that CEO start from? From the bottom, working his way up the employment ladder maybe?

Maybe the low-wage earner should better themselves in order to get a better job, more education, etc, etc, etc.

Your solution is to give from those that DO better themselves and succeed to those that don't, for whatever reason.
But that's my point...who determines someone elses worth?

And what if it's an engineer working that same spot cause they got laid off?

Not all WalMart clerks or employees are right out of high school...many, I'd say most, are over qualified for the positions to begin with...

I mean who does it benifit to brainwash people by telling them that a Walmart clerk, who has a family, is only worth $9.00 an hour and 35 hours a week?
(is that all their family and kids are worth too?)

While a 23 year old, who's a member of a prominant Fraternity, get's hired onto a firm and recieves a $2 million dollar bonus just for showing up to work and smileing....


This 'worth value' crap...is also a part of the class warfare being perpitrated on the masses....while we're to believe they themselves are worth Billions....
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:39 AM
 
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In the minds of the hard right goons it's only class warfare when you ask the rich to pay their fair share, screwing the poor and middle class is just a-ok.
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Here is the great interview with Boehner today;

Boehner On Rich: "How Much More Do You Want Them To Pay?" | RealClearPolitics

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"We are not going to engage in class warfare," Boehner said, adding: "The president's clearly trying to do it, and it's wrong."
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Old 11-06-2011, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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In the minds of the hard right goons it's only class warfare when you ask the rich to pay their fair share, screwing the poor and middle class is just a-ok.
Yeah, the top 10% pay over 70% of the taxes. They are just NOT paying their fair share.

1% pay over 38% of taxes in the US. Just NOT paying their fair share.
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