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Old 01-03-2013, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero View Post
NO-BODY...I mean NO-BODY should be paying more than 15%

if our government cant run of 15% of everyones income...then something is severely wrong
BINGO I think you figured it out. Something is severely wrong. Best answer yet.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:27 PM
 
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They're not "loopholes", they're LEGAL deductions.

They are legal deductions, or transfers from unfavored taxpayers to favored taxpayers. How about lower tax rates for everybody?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:32 PM
 
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Thanks to loopholes, many of them don't pay the same percentage as middle income people.
By loopholes, you mean tax laws?

Should we go to a flat tax with no deductions, no exemptions?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:34 PM
 
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What middle class person pays anywhere near 28%? I am middle class and have never paid more than 10% in my life.

You DO realize your 'loopholes' are open to anyone, not just the wealthy, don't you?

HowTF are they open to anyone? HowTF does a burger flipper who can't buy a house claim deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes? HowTF does an uninsured burger flipper enjoy tax-free health insurance? HowTF does a burger flipper living paycheck to paycheck make a 401(k) or IRA contribution?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:36 PM
 
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Close the loopholes, ban all government subsidies (personal & corporate) and flat tax everyone incrementally by level of income. Perform audits yearly on the mega-rich. Ban electioneering (advertisements) on tv and elsewhere and keep the electoral process to a six-week time period. No more special-interest bacon, no more stacked absurdities known as omnibus bills. End SNAP. Illegalize PAC's & lobbyists. Cut all life-long benefits to Congress & the president & the cabinet (except security) and give them minimum wage.

Counting the number of increased Chinese employments as an indicaton that someone is a "job-creator", deport them to China. Or Taiwan.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:40 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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They damn sure shouldn't be paying 13%...Pay the rate they should be paying 35%-40.
Why? Is that what you are paying?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:40 PM
 
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Please list the loopholes that are ONLY available to the rich.

Would you agree that they are not available to the poor and the working class? e.g. a burger flipper who can't buy a home can't claim deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:46 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Because the Bush Tax Cuts (TM) were tax cuts for parents, and because the top 1% (or top 10%) have fewer kids on average than the bottom 99% (or bottom 90%). Also, the middle class enjoys greater proportional benefit from tax breaks than does the top 1% (or top 10%) partly because of stealth taxation on the rich which takes away many deductions at incomes over $100K or so.
All of which kills the totally false notion that the top 1% pays a lower federal income tax rate than the average earner. Any claim to the contrary is just a blatant declaration of willful ignorance. We've seen exactly such posts in this thread.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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All of which kills the totally false notion that the top 1% pays a lower federal income tax rate than the average earner. Any claim to the contrary is just a blatant declaration of willful ignorance. We've seen exactly such posts in this thread.
The deal also paves the way for extending Soc Sec for a long time. Adjust the payroll tax limit to pick back up on those earning $250-$400K..... hmmmm?
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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HowTF are they open to anyone? HowTF does a burger flipper who can't buy a house claim deductions for mortgage interest and property taxes? HowTF does an uninsured burger flipper enjoy tax-free health insurance? HowTF does a burger flipper living paycheck to paycheck make a 401(k) or IRA contribution?
A burger flipper CAN enjoy those deductions, if he/she plans money adequately.
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