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Old 01-06-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Can you provide us with these articles describing HL as "self insuring?"
JHC!
I know you get used to wanting the government to do everything for you but can't you even use Google for yourself?
Type in Hobby Lobby and self insure.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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Then would you support Hobby Lobby if they said they shouldn't have to hire blacks, because to do would be against their religious beliefs? Who knows how many people supported a business's right to discriminate against blacks back during the 1960s?
No, I would not.
I do believe religious practices must be within the principles of a free society and racism is not compatible with a free society.

That said however I believe your question is a non-sequitur as you are comparing apples to oranges.

To refuse to provide employee's with articles which violate religious beliefs is not the same as imposing religious beliefs upon another or discriminating against another because they do not adhere to your religious beliefs.

The employer is not
- stating employees they cannot use articles that violate the employers religious beliefs or
- discriminating against employees who do use articles which violate the employers religious beliefs,

They are simply saying they will not be party to providing these articles.

As such I would have to retract my earlier statement about supporting an Muslim owned business from requiring female employees adhere to religious practices of the employer by wearing Burkhas (sp?) as this IS imposing religious beliefs upon another.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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I'd just lock the doors and tell the employees to thank obama....I'd even give them the white house phone number with their last pay check.....

It looks like you left wing nut jobs don't mind giving up freedoms...Most of you that voted for obama live off of the government teat anyway!!!

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Old 01-06-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'd just lock the doors and tell the employees to thank obama....I'd even give them the white house phone number with their last pay check.....
And then b*tch about people on welfare, unemployment, Medicaid and food stamps, eh?
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:04 PM
 
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I take socialism over a theocracy any day!
an employer won't provide the morning after pill in a health insurance plan = a theocracy. Good one.

You are kidding around, aren't you ?
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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My mistake. I said abortion. I must have had it on the brain from a previous conversation. I mean to say birth control. They should not have to pay for birth control, which is, effectively, condoning a behavior that is not appropriate, and they have a problem with it. If people want to have sex, let them pay for their own birth control.

20yrsinBranson
I would agree with your point of view, 20yrs...except there are many HEALTH issues women face that are best treated with BC pills. The women don't need them for birth control, but for medical reasons. Why shouldn't that be covered by insurance?
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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I'd just lock the doors and tell the employees to thank obama....I'd even give them the white house phone number with their last pay check.....

It looks like you left wing nut jobs don't mind giving up freedoms...Most of you that voted for obama live off of the government teat anyway!!!
I believe it is telling of the employers commitment to their employee's that they have not closed their doors and are accruing the 1.3mil p/day fines.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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And then b*tch about people on welfare, unemployment, Medicaid and food stamps, eh?
Yes, and ***** about the Administration that claims to care about this country and it's citizens yet is actively punishing those who provide jobs and revenues.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Currently I physically reside on the 3rd planet from the sun
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an employer won't provide the morning after pill in a health insurance plan = a theocracy. Good one.

You are kidding around, aren't you ?
A business is not a government - I am amazed at the lack of critical thinking by so many people.
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Old 01-06-2013, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I would agree with your point of view, 20yrs...except there are many HEALTH issues women face that are best treated with BC pills. The women don't need them for birth control, but for medical reasons. Why shouldn't that be covered by insurance?
And if BC for health problems is covered, every woman desiring BCP will immediately have some sort of health problem that requires the pill. I don't understand this big opposition to BC being paid by insurance. Isn't it better than unwed motherhood or abortion?
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