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Old 01-06-2013, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Fiorina "Fury" 161
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So basically, you are in favor of an employer dictating medical care to employees based on his/her personal beliefs or preferences. Dangerous precedence!
Some already dictate the behavior of smokers. You should be ready for a future where your company will not just encourage you to be healthier, but mandate that you be healthier. As it is, you can chose to work for a company that offers birth control in their plan, or work for Hobby Lobby which is choosing not to do so. Scratch that, the government is effectively eliminating the concept of choice, so you will have no options. You will also get to pay for any future advancements that are government controlled that affect your level of health care, against your wishes if need be. It's what the people wanted.

Last edited by Free-R; 01-06-2013 at 11:28 PM.. Reason: spelling
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:07 PM
 
Location: The Other California
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So basically, you are in favor of an employer dictating medical care to the employees based on his/her personal beliefs or preferences. Dangerous precedence!
Employees should be free to obtain whatever health care they want and can afford. And employers should be free to provide whatever health care they want and can afford. Furthermore, I have no philosophical objection to government providing social insurance for health care that is truly health care.

The bottom line is that contraception and abortifacient death-drugs are not health care, period.

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Old 01-06-2013, 11:10 PM
 
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I will go out of my way to shop at Hobby Lobby from now on. I am no religious person but I absolutely hate Obama and his policies and his attacks on businesses.
The one here is doing great! I love that store friendly knowledgable staff. GREAT house furnishings and framing dept!
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:21 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, New York
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Employees should be free to obtain whatever health care they want and can afford. And employers should be free to provide whatever health care they want and can afford. Furthermore, I have no philosophical objection to government providing social insurance for health care that is truly health care.

The bottom line is that contraception and abortifacient death-drugs are not health care, period.

Umm, yes they are. You obviously have not heard of birth control pills being used as a treatment for PCOS.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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You mean they will adapt to comply with the law and that is a bad thing'?
Yup. The health insurance industry will have to adapt. All the big insurers are already making plans for changes. The self insurers may take longer, but they'll have to change as well.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I don't want to cover most of these types of pills. They're just a boon to Big Pharma. However, here is a simple quote for this type of argument:

"Boner pills help produce life. Birth-control pills help reduce life."

- budgetlord. (1.6.2012)
Birth control doesn't reduce life no more than masturbation and menstrual cycles reduce life.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Employees should be free to obtain whatever health care they want and can afford. And employers should be free to provide whatever health care they want and can afford. Furthermore, I have no philosophical objection to government providing social insurance for health care that is truly health care.

The bottom line is that contraception and abortifacient death-drugs are not health care, period.
So basically you are saying you have no idea how contraception works....I guess you also think condoms are the "devil's work?"
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:43 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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I should add that they "risk" being fined. Whether they actually will be...?

$1.3MM per day x 365 days = $475.50MM per year.

Good luck.


just drop all insurance on all employees and pay the ~$2000 fine per employee pbo wants to have companies pay for no insurance.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:49 PM
 
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Hobby Lobby is not against the pill, they have no problem with the birth control pill, it's the other pills they have a problem with.

Mitt Romney would not have done this to them.
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Old 01-06-2013, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Hobby Lobby is not against the pill, they have no problem with the birth control pill, it's the other pills they have a problem with.

Mitt Romney would not have done this to them.
Well then they can always outsource their healthcare if their "moral compass" gets in the way.
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