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Old 01-06-2013, 07:54 AM
 
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The generals don't want higher force levels because they are war mongers. They want higher force levels to protect their troops.

We all know that Obama and the left deep down despise the men and women in uniform....What else is new!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/wo...bama.html?_r=0
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Old 01-06-2013, 07:56 AM
 
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you gotta watch fox news to get the truth. Pres. Obama is a Mulsim and worships Rev Wright's church.

Fox news said it.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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The left dont understand using superior power to save lives.

If we'd had todays left in charge during WW2, it would have gone on and on, possibly re-focusing in Asia. The Japanese showed no inclination to stop fighting, even when they had already lost. Only a nuclear bomb could shock them into dropping their arms. Though the price in lives was high, the price would have been even higher had they allowed the Japanese to keep on fighting.

I dont know if it is a conscious choice by Obama to allow as many troops to die as possible, or simply ignorance of history. Whatever, it scares me this man is in charge of the military.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:13 AM
 
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you gotta watch fox news to get the truth. Pres. Obama is a Mulsim and worships Rev Wright's church.

Fox news said it.
FYI....actually he's a Marxist that hates America...though make sure not to tell anyone on this board....

according to some on this board he's just a lovable innocent liberal....


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Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn -- Terrorists And Communists
Bill A


William Charles Ayers (born December 26, 1944) is an American elementary education theorist and former leader in the anti-war movement that opposed U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. He is known for the radical nature of his activism, which began within the anti-war movement of the 1960s. In 1969 he co-founded the violent radical left organization the Weather Underground, which conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the titles of Distinguished Professor of Education and Senior University Scholar.

Bernardine Rae Dohrn (née Ohrnstein, born January 12, 1942) is an American former leader of the Anti-Vietnam War radical organization Weather Underground. She is an Associate Professor of Law at Northwestern University School of Law and the Director of Northwestern's Children and Family Justice Center.

David Axelrod -- Fellow Traveler



David Axelrod also has connections that that stretch back to post-War Chicago communism. Did I mention his mom was a writer at a commie newspaper?

While a New Yorker by birth, David Axelrod studied political science at the University of Chicago in the early 1970s. Later, while a start-out journalist with the Hyde-Park Herald, Axelrod was mentored by two older journalists *** political activists, Don Rose and David S. Canter.
Derrick Bell -- Racist



Andrew Kaczynski says It was perhaps Barack Obama's most intense immersion in the charged campus racial politics of the late 1980s and early 1990s: As President of the Harvard Law Review in the spring of his final year there, 1991, he aligned himself with Professor Derrick Bell's dramatic protest for diversity on the faculty of Harvard Law School.
Carl Davidson -- Maoist-Communist



Davidson was a former leader of the SDS and a Maoist. In the mid 1990s Carl Davidson was leading activist in the Chicago New Party, where he worked closely with New Party member and candidate Barack Obama. He was also one of the organizers for Obama's 2002 anti-war speech. Davidson was the webmaster for the website, Progressives for Obama, which posts blogs from other 60’s radicals like Tom Hayden and Bill Fletcher, who created the website and its agenda.
Frank Marshall Davis -- Communist



Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his "poetry" and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, "Dreams From My Father," refers to him repeatedly as just "Frank."
Anita Dunn -- Maoist


Obama administration Communications Director Anita Dunn commended the wisdom of mass murdering Communist Chairman Mao in her address to high school students this past June. Dunn cited Mao as one of her two favorite political philosophers.
Jodie Evans -- Code Pink -- Socialist


Evans rose to prominence via her role in Code Pink for Peace as a radical activist and Democratic fund-raiser. Before Obama, Evans vigorously endorsed the Democrat's most important issue, hating President Bush. Right after hating President Bush, Evans hates "the War" -- any war except the ones our enemies are engaged in. Right after that it's hating her ex-husband, Westside financier Max Palevsky.

Sam Graham-Felsen -- Socialist/Communist



Graham-Felsen ran the Obama campaign's blog. He spent time in France taking part in labor riots, has written for a socialist magazine, hung a communist flag in his home, and was a fan of Marx while at Harvard.

Gregory Galluzzo -- Socialist/Communist Student Of Alinsky



A former Jesuit priest and executive director of the Gamaliel Foundation, Galluzzo was interview by New Republic's Ryan Lizza and showed him the training manual he uses with new organizers. Galluzzo told Lizza that many new trainees have an aversion to Saul Alinsky's gritty approach because they come to organizing as idealists rather than realists. Galluzzo, along with fellow trainer Mike Kruglik, schooled Obama in Alinsky tactics. The Developing Communities Project, Obama's first employer in Chicago, was part of the Gamaliel network of organizations.

Patrick Gaspard -- Socialist/Communist



In June 2009 Patrick Gaspard, a Brooklyn-based, 41-year-old Democratic operative, became White House director of the Office of Political Affairs.

Gaspard's ties to the groups behind ACORN-the groups that helped President Obama during his Chicago days-Democratic Socialists of America and the Communist Party offshoot Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism...

Like Obama, Patrick Gaspard wrote poetry. Like Obama , Patrick Gaspard grew up admiring third world leftists and revolutionaries. He reportedly idolized Aime Cesaire, a radical poet/politician from the French colony of Martinique.
Kevin Jennings -- ***** -- his word


Fifty-three Republican congressmen yesterday demanded that Obama fire his embattled "Safe Schools Czar," Kevin Jennings. Mr. Jennings' bizarre sexual agenda for American grade schools is one reason Obama should dump this dangerous radical.

Mr. Jennings wrote the foreword to a 1998 book titled, "Queering Elementary Education." The book he endorsed was a collection of essays by different authors who supported teaching young children about homosexuality. Mr. Jennings' foreword explains why he thinks it is important to start educating children about homosexuality as early as activist-educators can get away with doing so.

Jeff Jones -- Terrorist



Jeff Jones is a co-author of Obama's Stimulus Bill. He used to be a terrorist. Jones was a national officer in Students for a Democratic Society, a founding member of Weatherman, and a leader of the Weather Underground.

Jones is part of the Apollo Group, which was founded by Van Jones -- Obama's "Green Czar." The Apollo Group, under Jeff and Van Jones’ direction, basically wrote Barack Obama’s stimulus bill.

During World War II, Jones' father was a pacifist and conscientious objector who was assigned for the duration of the war, to a civilian work camp in the Sierra Mountains of California. Ironic, a pacifist breading a terrorist.

Van Jones -- Communist And "Rowdy Black Nationalist"


Jones was the leader and founder of a radical group, the communist revolutionary organization Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM.

STORM worked with known communist leaders. It led the charge in black protests against various issues, including a local attempt to pass Proposition 21, a ballot initiative that sought to increase the penalties for violent crimes and require more juvenile offenders to be tried as adults.Speaking to the East Bay Express, Jones said he first became radicalized in the wake of the 1992 Rodney King riots, during which time he was arrested. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."
"I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary," he said.

Marilyn Katz -- Head of Security -- SDS



Marilyn Katz is a Chicago public relations consultant and political operative, who has known David Axelrod for 30 years. Katz claims it was she who introduced Obama to the "activist network" in Chicago.
Rashid Khalidi -- PLO Spokesman



Rashid Khalidi, an apologist and spokesman for the Palestinian Libertion Organization (PLO), is the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia University, and Director of the Middle East Institute (MEI) at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs. In his role as MEI Director, Khalidi presides over a $300,000 annual grant from the federal government. He ranks among the most prominent members of the Middle Eastern studies community in the United States. His books are among the most frequently assigned works on the Middle East in American college syllabi. Arab and American media outlets alike seek him out regularly as a leading authority on the Middle East. In the 1990s, Obama and his wife were regular dinner guests at Khalidi's Chicago home. During the 2000 election cycle, Mr. and Mrs. Khalidi organized a fundraiser for Barack Obama's unsuccessful congressional bid.

Mike Klonsky -- Communist



Klonsky is an unabashed communist whose current mission is to spread Marxist ideology in the American classroom. Obama funded him to the tune of nearly $2 million. Obama, moreover, gave Klonsky a broad platform to broadcast his ideas: a "social justice" blog on the official Obama campaign website.

Mike Kruglik -- Socialist/Communist Student Of Alinsky



Taught Barack Obama in the Alinsky method.

The Lumpkins -- Communists



Senior Chicago Communist Party USA member Bea Lumpkin, and her late husband and comrade Frank Lumpkin were longtime supporters and a fans of Barack Obama.

Obama was very close, for many years, to the far left side of Chicago politics -- where the Lumpkins were major players. As a friend, supporter and campaigner for pro-communist Chicago mayor Harold Washington (1983-87), Lumpkin credits the Washington campaigns and the communist/labor/leftist Democrat/Black/Latino alliances they forged, with blazing the way for an Obama presidency.

John L. McKnight -- Socialist Student Of Alinsky



Another of Obama’s "community organizing mentor," McKnight taught Barack about community organizing while they were both working with the Gamaliel Foundation -- a Saul Alinsky production. John McKnight is also a former ACLU director and sits on the board of the National People’s Action (NPA), another leftist community organizing group. He teaches at Northwestern University and he wrote a letter of recommendation to Harvard for Obama.

Khalid Al-Mansour -- Mystery Man



Khalid al-Mansour is the "mystery man" that former Manhattan Borough Chairman Percy Sutton named as having aided Barack Obama financially at Harvard Law School. He also mentored Black Panthers’ founders Huey Newton and Bobby Seale in the early 1960s -- video.

He met and befriended Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, the world’s 19-thealthiest person, when the prince was studying at Menlo College in California in the late 1970s.

Signs of al-Mansour’s work exists in Malaysia, Brazil, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, and spans four decades in the United States,
Saul Mendelson -- Socialist


State Senator Barack Obama probably knew Saul Mendelson through their mutual activism in Independent Voters of Illinois, an organization investigated for communist infiltration as far back as the 1940s.

On March 13th 1998, Saul Mendelson, a lifelong socialist activist died in Chicago. Mendelson had been a member of various Trotskyist factions in the 1930s and '40s before joining the US Socialist Party and later DSA. In 1983 Saul Mendelson played a significant role in the election of Harold Washington.

The Saul Mendelson Memorial Service was held on Sunday, March 29, 1998, at the First Unitarian Church, Chicago.

According to Chicago DSA leader, the late Carl Marx Shier (who addressed the gathering);

At the memorial service held at the 1st Unitarian Church on South Woodlawn, speaker after speaker recounted Saul's contributions...speakers included Deborah Meier...Senator Carol Moseley Braun, Alderman Toni Preckwinkle, State Senator Barak Obama, Illinois House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie and a good friend from New York, Myra Russell.

The concluding remarks were made by an old friend, Harriet Lefley, who is now Professor of Psychology at the University of Miami Medical School.

Deborah Meier was a former Trotskyist and Socialist Party comrade of Saul Mendelson's and a leader of Chicago and Boston DSA.

Alderman Toni Preckwinkle and Illinois House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie, are both leftist Democrats with ties to Chicago's socialist community. Both endorsed Barack Obama in his successful 2004 bid for the US Senate.

Eulogies also came from Quinn Brisben, (Socialist Party presidential candidate 1976, 1992) and David McReynolds (Socialist Party presidential candidate 1980, 2000).
Abner Mikva -- Progressive/Communist


After service in WW2, Abner Mikva studied law at the University of Chicago. In 1949 communist led students went on strike at the City College of New York. Twenty University of Chicago campus leaders met in April that year, to show support for their New York counterparts, Abner Mikva among them. Several of the 20 had communist connections including Elias Snitzer and Sid Socolar, both of whom later took the 5th Amendment during government security hearings when questioned over alleged Communist Party membership.
Linda Rae Murray -- Communist



Linda Rae Murray, pictured here with Barack Obama and Quentin Young, also left the Communist Party in 1992 and has since worked closely with Committees of Correspondence and Democratic Socialists of America. She is a prominent Chicago health professional and the the immediate past president of Quentin Young's Health and Medicine Policy Research Group. Murray is a leading and very active advocate for "single payer" and has just been elected president of the American Public Health Association -- a post Quentin Young held in 1988.

Alice Palmer -- Communist


In 1995, Alice Palmer represented the state's 13th District, and decided to run for the United States Congress. She hand-picked Barack Obama to run to replace her.

She was an executive board member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a communist front group, an affiliate of the World Peace Council, a Soviet front group. She participated in the World Peace Council's 1983 Prague Assembly, part of the Soviet launch of the nuclear-freeze movement. In June 1986, while editor of the Black Press Review, she wrote an article for the Communist Party USA's newspaper, the People's Daily World, now the People's Weekly World. It detailed her experience attending the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and how impressed she was by the Soviet system. Palmer gushed at the "Soviet plan to provide people with higher wages and better education" and spoke of the efficiency of the Soviets' most recent five-year plan, attributing its success to "central planning." She praised their "comprehensive affirmative action program, which they have stuck to religiously -- if I can use the word -- since 1917."
Zach Pollet -- Weatherman


Former Weatherman, Zach Pollet, became ACORN’s political director and the head of ACORN’s Project Vote, now embroiled in voter fraud investigations in several states.
Tony Rezko -- Fixer



Antoin "Tony" Rezko (born July 1955) is a political fundraiser, restaurateur, and real estate developer in Chicago, Illinois, convicted on several counts of fraud and bribery in 2008. Rezko has been involved in fundraising for local Illinois Democratic and Republican politicians since the 1980s. After becoming a major contributor to Rod Blagojevich's successful gubernatorial election, Rezko assisted Blagojevich in setting up the state's first Democratic administration in twenty years. Rezko was able to have business associates appointed onto several state boards. Rezko and several others were indicted on federal charges in October 2006, for using their connections to the state boards to demand kickbacks from businesses that wanted to do business with the state. While the others pleaded guilty to the charges, Rezko pleaded not guilty and was found guilty of 16 of the 24 charges filed against him.
Wade Rathke -- Weatherman



Former Weatherman Rathke is the founder of Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN). The group has had its federal funding cut within the last several days over charges of widespread corruption among many of its affiliate offices across the country. The organization was captured on video advising a pair of undercover journalists from Big Government.com on how to evade taxes and set up a brothel featuring underage child sex slaves. Rathke and brother, Dale, have left ACORN after a nearly-$1 million embezzlement scandal. He then founded–surprise–ACORN International.
Joel Rogers -- Founder Of The Socialist New Party


A sociology and law professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, Joel Rogers is an influential figure in progressive politics. He is the author of several books, works as a contributing editor for The Nation and Boston Review, and has founded some of the most powerful leftist organizations and coalitions in the United States. Newsweek named Rogers one of the 100 Americans most likely to shape U.S. politics and culture in the 21st century, and Glenn Beck has called him "the man behind [Barack] Obama."

Socialist Organization



Obama's Circle Shows an In-depth Socialist Past.
George Soros -- Republic Enemy #1


I don't even know where to begin with this guy.
Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)


Meet the Students for Democratic Society (SDS) Central Committee. Click the link to view their organization chart. It's amazing how many of these extreme far-left whackjobs have only one degree of separation from Barack Obama.
Percy Sutton -- Fixer


New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.

Madeline Talbot -- ACORN



Madeleine Talbot was a leader at Chicago Acorn. Talbot was so impressed by Obama’s organizing skills that she invited him to help train her own staff.

Talbot turns out to have been a key leader of that attempt by Acorn to storm the Chicago City Council (during a living-wage debate). In a deliberate bit of what radicals call “direct action,” orchestrated by Acorn’s Madeleine Talbot. As Talbot was led away handcuffed, charged with mob action and disorderly conduct, she explicitly justified her actions in storming the meeting. This was the woman who first drew Obama into his alliance with Acorn, and whose staff Obama helped train.
Quentin Young -- Communist and Democratic Socialists Of America



DSA member, former communist and long time Obama friend.

The New Zeal blog is reporting that Dr. Quentin Young has been a close friend, personal physician and political mentor to Barack Obama for more than 20 years. He is the father of the US socialized healthcare movement and proudly admits to having tutored his friend Barack Obama in the subject.

Young, a member of Democratic Socialists of America, was a member of the Young Communist League in his teens. He was also accused of membership of the Bethune Club of the Communist Party ( a party doctor's group) by a government commission investigating the 1968 Democratic Party Convention riots in Chicago.

Young has been the US's most active proponent of "single payer" or socialzed healthcare for decades -- firstly through his medical committee for Human Rights, then his Physicians for a National Health Program and his Health and Medicine Policy Research Group.


Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- Black Marxist



Leftist black nationalist preacher, who preached African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, who acted as Obama's personal spiritual adviser, is militantly Afrocentric. His website proudly claimed, "We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:21 AM
 
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If we'd had todays left in charge during WW2, it would have gone on and on, possibly re-focusing in Asia. The Japanese showed no inclination to stop fighting, even when they had already lost. Only a nuclear bomb could shock them into dropping their arms. Though the price in lives was high, the price would have been even higher had they allowed the Japanese to keep on fighting.

I dont know if it is a conscious choice by Obama to allow as many troops to die as possible, or simply ignorance of history. Whatever, it scares me this man is in charge of the military.
Last I checked Roosevelt was to the far left of Obama.

Having said that, this seems to be a Catch 22 in the most classic military sense; we need to put in more troops so that we can withdraw the troops.

So if any of the internet generals here would like to explain how that works be my guest.

By the way, the last time folks on here were screaming for Obama to listen to the generals, I stated that if you put more troops in you are going to get more troops killed and wounded. So when more troops and killed and wounded as a result of McKrystal's surge the right started bitching about the fact that more troops were getting killed and wounded. At this point I think that Obama needs to keep his own council and tell the generals to frack off.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:27 AM
 
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Under no circumstance do I agree with ramping up. And I do not trust intelligences argument for ramping up neither.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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FYI....actually he's a Marxist that hates America...though make sure not to tell anyone on this board....

according to some on this board he's just a lovable innocent liberal....


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Leftist black nationalist preacher, who preached African-American unity through antipathy toward whites. The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, who acted as Obama's personal spiritual adviser, is militantly Afrocentric. His website proudly claimed, "We are an African people, and remain 'true to our native land,' the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."
Get all that when you pull the string on your Drunk Senator from Wisconsin doll do ya?
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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I wish we would just with drawl all of our troops out of that hell hole and save money we do not have and lives. How many Americans give a rats a$$ about Afghanistan when we have so many problems here in our own country.
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:34 AM
 
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Get all that when you pull the string on your Drunk Senator from Wisconsin doll do ya?
Happy New Year...My buddy!!!
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Old 01-06-2013, 08:40 AM
 
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If i were the president, there would be no tensions. Generals in this country have been getting too big for their damn britches in the last few decades. I wouldn't put up with any lip.

I'd let it be known that i'm the Commander, and what i say goes once my decision has been made. If you keep on running your mouth about it, then i'll force you to resign. You will shut the eff up and do what i say. I took your words under advisement, came up with a plan, and here's your marching orders. Carry 'em out!!

Generals themselves command this way, and they should expect to be commanded in the same way. Stanley McChrystal found out the hard way, and i'd make it quite clear that the other generals can get the same treatment if that's what they want.
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