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Yes, empty talking points for the most part, and misrepresentations of the truth, but people are smart enough to not believe everything they hear. I agree Ron Paul was the only candidate who had identified the real root causes, and gave real solutions, but of course people didn't want to hear it.
Ron Paul has/had no solutions. His dreams revolve around archaic ideas like the gold standard.
Voter fraud and a covered up past. Chosen because he's a willing stooge for the real powers that openly run the country now. Basically Bush 43 on steroids.
Obama is a huge sellout, and the left are completely blind to it.
How does our government spend SIX TRILLION in new debt, and yet poverty, unemployment and people who become the new poor only grow in size? All of those trillions went somewhere, and all I see are record high poor and big Wall Street fat cats reeling in the profits.
BTW, that six trillion in new debt does not even count the trillions more that the Federal Reserve spread around like candy.
Ron Paul has/had no solutions. His dreams revolve around archaic ideas like the gold standard.
Paul may or may not have had the answers, he always seemed a bit strange to me. however, Paul did tell us where the problems were, but too many people ignored him.
There were a number of reasons why Obama won but to me and the author of this link the most important one was that more people wanted to continue to get freebies from the government than there were who weren't willing to keep paying those freebies. The writer also mentions the effects of all those female freebies alone.
Bread and circuses. Give the people their entertainment and keep them from starving and they will reelect you every time. The "takers" are outnumbering the "givers", voluntary or involuntary.
Ron Paul has/had no solutions. His dreams revolve around archaic ideas like the gold standard.
He did have solutions, and unlike all the other candidates he had identified the root causes. As a matter of fact, you cannot offer solutions unless you understand the root causes. Neither Obama, nor Romoney understand the root causes.
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How does our government spend SIX TRILLION in new debt, and yet poverty, unemployment and people who become the new poor only grow in size? All of those trillions went somewhere, and all I see are record high poor and big Wall Street fat cats reeling in the profits.
They went to the same places as before. A lot of the "spending" is simply money which was not collected. For example 30% of the stimulus was cuts in taxes, and the "Payroll Tax Holiday" was the same, and Bush/Obama tax cut of course.
Paul may or may not have had the answers, he always seemed a bit strange to me. however, Paul did tell us where the problems were, but too many people ignored him.
His own party ignored him. I think he would have beat Obama if he had been nominated. I know many Dems who liked him, and most independents liked him, and Repubs would vote for anyone but a Dem, so he would have won.
Do you know how ridiculous you just sounded? The way to you is to widen the big tent, by selectively kicking people out?
The Tea party movement had very limited goals and ideals. Make government politicians accountable for spending the taxpayers money wisely, reduce fraud, waste and abuse, stop borrowing and spending us into debt, and respect our Constitutional rights and freedoms and protect them instead of trying to usurp them. That's all there is to it.
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I have no problem with the TP's original stated goals, but it moprhed into a hate group and ignored the concept of limited gov't which INCLUDES peoples' bedrooms, and yes, they need to become a third party. The votes the GOP loses exceeds any pithy TP gain (POTUS/Senate = ZERO GOP wins during TP era), as quite frankly, within 4 years, all the TPers would be voting solid GOP as they always did. As a third party, they are nothing, thus they attached themselves to a TRUE party to avoid being ignored.
BTW, What part of your above so noble sounding message is advanced by the racist signage on display at one TP rally after another????
How does our government spend SIX TRILLION in new debt, and yet poverty, unemployment and people who become the new poor only grow in size? All of those trillions went somewhere, and all I see are record high poor and big Wall Street fat cats reeling in the profits.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
They went to the same places as before. A lot of the "spending" is simply money which was not collected. For example 30% of the stimulus was cuts in taxes, and the "Payroll Tax Holiday" was the same, and Bush/Obama tax cut of course.
The deficits were caused by a combination of lower revenue, due to the economic downturn; the stimulus of 2009/2010 that also had tax-cuts; and automatic safety net spending. The right likes to portray the debt as Obama going on a spending spree but it's really just the government we have responding to a weak economy.
When a shock to the economy causes a 6-9% drop in GDP, that's the point where governments needed to step in, spending to support their economy while the private sector regained its balance. And to some extent that did happen: revenue dropped sharply in the slump, but spending actually rose as programs like unemployment insurance expanded and temporary economic stimulus went into effect. Budget deficits rose, but this was actually a good thing, probably the most important reason we didn’t have a full replay of the Great Depression.
The deficits were caused by a combination of lower revenue, due to the economic downturn; the stimulus of 2009/2010 that also had tax-cuts; and automatic safety net spending. The right likes to portray the debt as Obama going on a spending spree but it's really just the government we have responding to a weak economy.
When a shock to the economy causes a 6-9% drop in GDP, that's the point where governments needed to step in, spending to support their economy while the private sector regained its balance. And to some extent that did happen: revenue dropped sharply in the slump, but spending actually rose as programs like unemployment insurance expanded and temporary economic stimulus went into effect. Budget deficits rose, but this was actually a good thing, probably the most important reason we didn’t have a full replay of the Great Depression.
The RWNJs would rather have a full blown DEPRESSION. That is exactly what would have happened if we would have had a Republican administration. You realize that the GOP solution to a severe economic downturn is exactly the same solution that Hoover had back in 1929. It destroyed the economic order of the day and lead to a democratic POTUS winning 4 elections in a row.
That is the main problem with the GOP. They have not had a single new idea in a freakin century. In fact they look back at the Guilded Age like it was some kind of heaven on earth. It was actually for the 1%. That is who they represented then and that is who they represent now. PERIOD. If you think differently you are not paying attention and are a sadly mislead DUPE.
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