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Old 01-08-2013, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Do you honestly think not funding Planned Parenthood is going to reduce sexual disease?
Absolutely not but increased numbers of treatments is not something to jump over.
Increased funding means more people are not being careful enough.

PP "doing its job" should mean less each year because more are knowledgeable..right ?
Isn't education also a part of PP ?

There's 2 sides to every coin you know.

Widespread access to vaccines resulted in the decline of fatal diseases.
Why hasn't increased coverage, services, education resulted in the decline of sexual diseases, abortions ?

The goal of PP is not to get increased numbers..right ?
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Absolutely not but increased numbers of treatments is not something to jump over.
Increased funding means more people are not being careful enough.

PP "doing its job" should mean less each year because more are knowledgeable..right ?
Isn't education also a part of PP ?

There's 2 sides to every coin you know.

Widespread access to vaccines resulted in the decline of fatal diseases.
Why hasn't increased coverage, services, education resulted in the decline of sexual diseases, abortions ?

The goal of PP is not to get increased numbers..right ?
Actually if you look at states that are better educated when it comes to sex tends to have a lower teenage birth rate and lower sexually transmitted disease, so yes, I would say education works.

Also there is not connection to the more you fund something the less careful people are.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Actually if you look at states that are better educated when it comes to sex tends to have a lower teenage birth rate and lower sexually transmitted disease, so yes, I would say education works.

Also there is not connection to the more you fund something the less careful people are.
The funding increased because the numbers being treated increased. The money came AFTER the people here.

Teenage pregnancy rates, birth rates and abortion rates are all still the highest among developed nations.
Demographics skew statistics when comparing states to states.
Globally we still have a long ways to go.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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Since many have complained about the data... I thought it was explained.

They took PP's numbers regarding services after women become pregnant. 91% of the pregnant women who received services from PP had an abortion procedure. I didn't say anything about "other services". I was just noting that if they come in pregnant, most likely they won't be when they are done.

You can look at the 2011 numbers for yourself, since I used 2010 numbers in the OP. The annual report is at the bottom of the page.

In 2011

333,964 received abortion services. (91.5%)
2,300 received adoption services. (0.6%)
28,674 received pre-natal services. (7.9%)

Again - those are the only services provided to pregnant women.

I'm sure they do many more services that are important. But they do abortion at more than a 90% rate for women who are pregnant. That's who they are. That's what they do. No tricks with the numbers.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I'm not against contraception. I'm merely pointing out that PP supporters love to trumpet the "good" PP does while doing everything in their power to ignore the "bad" that PP does under the guise of "choice." It's disgusting.
How else are those women supposed to get their abortions? By looking it up on the Internet how to induce one themselves? Now that would really be disgusting.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The funding increased because the numbers being treated increased. The money came AFTER the people here.

Teenage pregnancy rates, birth rates and abortion rates are all still the highest among developed nations.
Demographics skew statistics when comparing states to states.
Globally we still have a long ways to go.
Depends on which states obviously.
Teen births map shows conservative states have most teen moms. - Slate Magazine
And from the looks of it, your state is doing a poor job with preventing teenage pregnancies, so thanks for helping make us one of the highest among developed nations.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Since many have complained about the data... I thought it was explained.

They took PP's numbers regarding services after women become pregnant. 91% of the pregnant women who received services from PP had an abortion procedure. I didn't say anything about "other services". I was just noting that if they come in pregnant, most likely they won't be when they are done.

You can look at the 2011 numbers for yourself, since I used 2010 numbers in the OP. The annual report is at the bottom of the page.

In 2011

333,964 received abortion services. (91.5%)
2,300 received adoption services. (0.6%)
28,674 received pre-natal services. (7.9%)

Again - those are the only services provided to pregnant women.

I'm sure they do many more services that are important. But they do abortion at more than a 90% rate for women who are pregnant. That's who they are. That's what they do. No tricks with the numbers.
So when you ignore all the other things people go to planned parenthood for, then yes I guess you are right almost everyone that is seeking an abortion gets that abortion when they go to Planned Parenthood.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How else are those women supposed to get their abortions? By looking it up on the Internet how to induce one themselves? Now that would really be disgusting.
PP is not the only abortion provider in the United States.
They only performed 26% of the abortions.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Depends on which states obviously.
Teen births map shows conservative states have most teen moms. - Slate Magazine
And from the looks of it, your state is doing a poor job with preventing teenage pregnancies, so thanks for helping make us one of the highest among developed nations.
Sorry, not much we can do there.
Texas also has the 3 poorest counties in the entire US as well.

Texas is a border state and as such has a large Hispanic population.
They tend to have large families and not many are well off.

It takes a generation or two before changes happen with immigrants.
So it's not an apples to apples comparison with other states.

And if you go digging in the Texas numbers you'll find they are not "conservatives" at all, but solid Dem voters year after year after year.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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PP is not the only abortion provider in the United States.
They only performed 26% of the abortions.
Now that's scary. I had not heard that number. But that puts total abortions over 1.3 million a year.


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So when you ignore all the other things people go to planned parenthood for, then yes I guess you are right almost everyone that is seeking an abortion gets that abortion when they go to Planned Parenthood.
Yes - I was solely focusing on women who were pregnant.
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